We all know that guys like Riewoldt, Sam Fisher, Goddard, Hayes are all stars, and can be relied on for great games week in, week out. Football pundits suggest that it's the bottom 6 in your 22 that decide the outcome of games, rather than your top 6.
From my point of view, that is the following players.
Gwilt
Gardiner
Birss
Raph
Gilbert
Eddy
All are playing a role, Gwilt had his hands in 2 or 3 goals. Gardiner kicked a goal and made space, even had some stints in the midfield. Birss shut down Van Berlo and had a few touches, could have also kicked a goal. Gilbert played his best game of the season, if not his career. Eddy made some cameo appearances with 4 tackles, but was largely unsighted, could have also kicked a goal. Raph done some great things, set up goals and applied great forward pressure.
No passengers this week.
Bottom 6 is improving.
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the bottom 6 will get you to a grand final, the top 6 will win it for you.
Our biggest worry is getting our bottom 6 up to AFL standard and keeping our top 6 fit....
both seem to be getting there at the right time of the year
Our biggest worry is getting our bottom 6 up to AFL standard and keeping our top 6 fit....
both seem to be getting there at the right time of the year
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Couldnt agree more, great call.Solar wrote:the bottom 6 will get you to a grand final, the top 6 will win it for you.
I think the old saying goes "a machine is only as improtant as the sum of its parts" or something like that.
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agree about the top 6 more important as they bring the other players into it and swing games, Roo is slotting more goals now, AND consistently.Solar wrote:the bottom 6 will get you to a grand final, the top 6 will win it for you.
Our biggest worry is getting our bottom 6 up to AFL standard and keeping our top 6 fit....
both seem to be getting there at the right time of the year
Goddard in the last handful of games has had a tangible impact on the outcome.
the rest of the list have been very servicible and in a lot of cases picking up the slack.
For us to have a real impact in the finals, we need much more effort from two of our top 6, NDS and Kosi.
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Hammer, nail, head re Kosi and Dal.sunsaint wrote:agree about the top 6 more important as they bring the other players into it and swing games, Roo is slotting more goals now, AND consistently.Solar wrote:the bottom 6 will get you to a grand final, the top 6 will win it for you.
Our biggest worry is getting our bottom 6 up to AFL standard and keeping our top 6 fit....
both seem to be getting there at the right time of the year
Goddard in the last handful of games has had a tangible impact on the outcome.
the rest of the list have been very servicible and in a lot of cases picking up the slack.
For us to have a real impact in the finals, we need much more effort from two of our top 6, NDS and Kosi.
Not sure what thecoach's plans are... but don't be surprised if X doesn't play. Given his time out. One things is for sure, and hopefully we've learnt from 06 is that you're better off taking 22 players who are totally fit into finals.
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our top 6 IMO
roo
BJ
Lenny
Chips
Dal
max
roo stills needs to kick those important goals early, they lift the whole team
BJ since being thrown into the middle is one of the few who can lay tackles and get the hard ball but is also a damaging outside reciever
Lenny is a star but needs to kick goals and use his vision
chips is defending better but his skill is the ability to read the play and be damaging once it hits the ground
dal is just a great use of the ball. Is an outside receiever at his best and once ball comes back he will need to play this way. His running to contests was alot better, just needs to relise that the key is the more contests you get to the more you can impact on the game.
max just stops the oppositions best forward. top 2 full backs in the comp
But these guys can't win games if they don't have the footmen around them. Eddy, raph, gwilt, birss and cj all are working their arses off to run in numbers. Nothing better then sheparding to create space for say dal to spot up roo 35 out.
roo
BJ
Lenny
Chips
Dal
max
roo stills needs to kick those important goals early, they lift the whole team
BJ since being thrown into the middle is one of the few who can lay tackles and get the hard ball but is also a damaging outside reciever
Lenny is a star but needs to kick goals and use his vision
chips is defending better but his skill is the ability to read the play and be damaging once it hits the ground
dal is just a great use of the ball. Is an outside receiever at his best and once ball comes back he will need to play this way. His running to contests was alot better, just needs to relise that the key is the more contests you get to the more you can impact on the game.
max just stops the oppositions best forward. top 2 full backs in the comp
But these guys can't win games if they don't have the footmen around them. Eddy, raph, gwilt, birss and cj all are working their arses off to run in numbers. Nothing better then sheparding to create space for say dal to spot up roo 35 out.
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which he has to do when ball is not there....BigMart wrote:Isn't Dal in the TOP 3 for contested possesions???????
he had 7 hardball gets on Sunday........recievers do NOT usually get numbers like that....
He is also 4th for tackles aswell...
BUT
when ball is there I would hope he would be working hard to get handball recieves and work into space. Much rather have him in space then in the middle of a pack, no matter what his tackle stats are.....
and my actual point is he is starting to gut run to get it in space, where he is the most dangerous....
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good thread
our bottom 6 are on the improve, which is helped by fewer injuries this year
The only reason our bottom 6 looks Ok, is because our top 6 is carrying them.
I don't believe the bottom is that important. It's the top 6 that you need playing well. Ours are right now.
but I disagree here somewhat Rogerfox, but its a bit of a no win debate either way
Continual clangers and turnovers by the bottom 6 can lose you the game, by changing momento and brining the opposition into it too easily
I think you will find the better sides, and particularly with premiership teams the gap in ability between the top 6 and bottom six is always less
and the old addage "a champion team will always beat a team of champions " still holds no matter how many stars you have in the top 6 , and how many ordinary players in the bottom
our bottom 6 are on the improve, which is helped by fewer injuries this year
The only reason our bottom 6 looks Ok, is because our top 6 is carrying them.
I don't believe the bottom is that important. It's the top 6 that you need playing well. Ours are right now.
but I disagree here somewhat Rogerfox, but its a bit of a no win debate either way
Continual clangers and turnovers by the bottom 6 can lose you the game, by changing momento and brining the opposition into it too easily
I think you will find the better sides, and particularly with premiership teams the gap in ability between the top 6 and bottom six is always less
and the old addage "a champion team will always beat a team of champions " still holds no matter how many stars you have in the top 6 , and how many ordinary players in the bottom
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Like to look at the back 6 as well.
They are clicking beautifully.
Max is mr reliable as always.
But Gram has improved his form dramatically since about round 9.
Chipper is a star.
Dempster continues to have a fine year, and Blake is emerging as a very good centre half back.
They have also freed up Goddard and occasionally Gram to move into the middle.
Also gwilt and raph have been able to be used in different roles too, not brought into the side to play deep defence.
They are clicking beautifully.
Max is mr reliable as always.
But Gram has improved his form dramatically since about round 9.
Chipper is a star.
Dempster continues to have a fine year, and Blake is emerging as a very good centre half back.
They have also freed up Goddard and occasionally Gram to move into the middle.
Also gwilt and raph have been able to be used in different roles too, not brought into the side to play deep defence.
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I guess that sits with the theory of rotating in the bottom 1 or 2 on form, with the top 1 or 2 on form at Casey. (Minus guys like Geary and Rix who have shown good VFL form does not equal good AFL form).bergsone wrote:The real importance of those bottom 6 is to KEEP performing at that level,not drop off next week and week after,if they do we will really struggle in finals