Who are our superstars?

[battye]

Undisputed, universally they are recognised:

• R. Harvey
• N. Riewoldt

Could Dal Santo, Hayes, Ball or Kosi sneak in there? I'm inclined not to think so. I think injury has ruined Ball's chances of making it (if only he was the same player he was in 04/05), and time is against Hayes. Kosi or Dal Santo could still make it if they were to string together a few fantastic seasons... Kosi in particular, I think with a bit of injury luck, could become one the clubs greats.

Thoughts?

[Saints Premiers 2008]

rooey, maybe s fish??? hayes to the football literate

[battye]

rooey, maybe s fish??? hayes to the football literate

I agree about Hayes, but other teams/"experts" don't seem to drool over him like they do the "superstars", Riewoldt, Pavlich, Brown, etc...

[plugger66]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

[Sam23]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Yep, spot on.

[Con Gorozidis]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Yep, spot on.

Agree.

[Con Gorozidis]

Undisputed, universally they are recognised:

• R. Harvey
• N. Riewoldt

Kosi or Dal Santo could still make it if they were to string together a few fantastic seasons... Kosi in particular, I think with a bit of injury luck, could become one the clubs greats.

Thoughts?

Kosi could start putting a few quarters together. forget seasons.

remember buddy and fev are about to kick 100 goals. so lets keep it serious. kosi is miles away from those guys.

[Ghost Like]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

No arguments here.

I still hold out hopes that Ball will make up some ground on Judd & Hodge over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

I also have some blind faith in that Dal will realise his potential and take on some responsibility now the Great Man's retiring.

[bigcarl]

I also have some blind faith in that Dal will realise his potential and take on some responsibility now the Great Man's retiring.

me too. i haven't given up on him. has the talent to be in the game's elite and it is entirely up to him if he wants to realise it.

dal this aint no dress rehearsal, fella.

kosi also has shown (nowhere near often enough) that elusive X factor required to be a match-winner.

[Bernard Shakey]

What is a superstar?

I heard some knob at the olympics referring to Marty Pask as an AFL superstar.

Superstar, Supermodel, Champion?

What happened to stars and ordinary players?

Are any shielas these days just models?


Having got that off my chest, Harvey and Riewoldt are superstars.
Lenny, Ball and Max are stars.
Harvs, Roo, Lenny and Bakes are champions, because they have won the club championship.
The rest are footballers of varying abilities.

[Con Gorozidis]

What is a superstar?

I heard some knob at the olympics referring to Marty Pask as an AFL superstar.

Superstar, Supermodel, Champion?

What happened to stars and ordinary players?

Are any shielas these days just models?


Having got that off my chest, Harvey and Riewoldt are superstars.
Lenny, Ball and Max are stars.
Harvs, Roo, Lenny and Bakes are champions, because they have won the club championship.
The rest are footballers of varying abilities.

ball and max are great players but not stars. lets be fair. its riewoldt then daylight.

[evertonfc]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Yep, spot on.

Agree.

Agree again.

[markinUSA]

A "superstar" is probably someone who is in the top 5 (maaaaybe, if you stretch it, top 10) players in the comp. That means many clubs wouldn't have one superstar. We'd have one, Nick.

We have some players who have made terrific contributions - Harves was a superstar for many years, and although he's still amazing, he's not the player he once was (percentage of game time is one indicator of that).

Lenny is a really really good midfielder, Max is a really really good defender.

I can't see most of the games - but looking at the stats on the AFL website, S.Fisher and L. Montagna are doing very well... but I've read on here that a lot of people haven't been thrilled with them, so I can't say.

Some of the others we've discussed - eg Kosi and Ball - might be great. They're not great yet. Ball's tackling was leading the AFL, alongside Lenny, for a long time. But he hasn't been the same ever since he first got OP. And Kosi's injuries have also really affected his form, obviously. Neither has become a "star" yet - many of us love them, but to be a "star" means you're dominating a lot of games. I don't think that they've done that. They do have high profiles (which is a part of the problem with the term "star" - it kinda combines ability and profile at the same time).

[The Saintsational Man]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Yep, spot on.

Agree.

Agree again.

Fu*k youse.....this thread is to polite.

I'm going the other way.

The whole list is terrible.....

[The Saintsational Man]

Anyways.....my own personal take on how to define a superstar is;

"Would you pay, to watch them play?"

For me, we only have one.....

Riewoldt.

Other teams;

West Coast - Dean Cox
Fremantle- Matthew Pavlich
Port - Nil
Crows - Nil
Swans - Nil
Brisbane - Jonathan Brown
Essendon - Nil
Carlton - Chris Judd
Collingwood - Nil
Richmond - Matthew Richardson
Geelong - Gary Ablett Jr.
Kangas - Nil
Bulldogs - Adam Cooney
Melbourne - Nil
Hawks - Lance Franklin

Also will mention Ben Cousins.....regardless of what colors he wears next year, im sure I will attend a few neutral matches he plays in.

[battye]

A "superstar" is probably someone who is in the top 5 (maaaaybe, if you stretch it, top 10) players in the comp. That means many clubs wouldn't have one superstar. We'd have one, Nick.

We have some players who have made terrific contributions - Harves was a superstar for many years, and although he's still amazing, he's not the player he once was (percentage of game time is one indicator of that).

I believe that once you attain "superstar" status (for an extended period of time, I don't think Woewodin would count), you hold on to it for your entire career. And for that reason I think Robert Harvey is without question a superstar of the competition.

Using The Saintsational Man logic, most would pay to watch Harvey play.

[The Saintsational Man]

Using The Saintsational Man logic, most would pay to watch Harvey play.

They would this year.....but, would they have last year?

This years his swan song, so many have/will turn up to his final games to farewell him.

Don't get me wrong I’m not disrespecting the great man, I love him just as much as you blokes, but it's just my opinion that he is no longer a superstar.

But.....then again, as you said, once you have obtained superstar status for a prolonged period, then you could and rightly so, be considered one for the remainder of your career.

It's a great argument none the less, I’m just a fan of stricter rules in obtaining or retaining superstar status, because the way we're going, Barry Brooks will be remembered as a superstar in a few years

[desertsaint]

I believe that once you attain "superstar" status (for an extended period of time, I don't think Woewodin would count), you hold on to it for your entire career. And for that reason I think Robert Harvey is without question a superstar of the competition.

Definitely agree - which is why omissions of players like McLeod and Goodes is confusing, and Cooney is no superstar (but could go on). Buddy is a star and should go on. Richo is a star but won't!

Its all in how we define a superstar, but to me a definition that omits a true champion because he's past his best seems a bit too evanescent.

[The Saintsational Man]

Definitely agree - which is why omissions of players like McLeod and Goodes is confusing, and Cooney is no superstar (but could go on). Buddy is a star and should go on. Richo is a star but won't!

It was just a list of the players that I would pay to see play and thus falls into my opinion, yeah I guess you could be right about Cooney, but McLeod is way past his best and I wouldn't play to see Goodes play, dirty sniper.

[Spinner]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Lenny is all the star that Riewoldt is.


And I think most will find that other opposition supporters think the same.

[mightysainters]

Anyways.....my own personal take on how to define a superstar is;

"Would you pay, to watch them play?"

For me, we only have one.....

Riewoldt.

Other teams;

West Coast - Dean Cox
Fremantle- Matthew Pavlich
Port - Nil
Crows - Nil
Swans - Nil
Brisbane - Jonathan Brown
Essendon - Nil
Carlton - Chris Judd
Collingwood - Nil
Richmond - Matthew Richardson
Geelong - Gary Ablett Jr.
Kangas - Nil
Bulldogs - Adam Cooney
Melbourne - Nil
Hawks - Lance Franklin

Also will mention Ben Cousins.....regardless of what colors he wears next year, im sure I will attend a few neutral matches he plays in.

West Coast - Dean Cox, Kerr
Fremantle- Matthew Pavlich
Port - Nil
Crows - Nil
Swans - Nil
Brisbane - Jonathan Brown
Essendon - Nil
Carlton - Chris Judd, Fevola
Collingwood - Nil
Richmond - Matthew Richardson
Geelong - Gary Ablett Jr, Jimmy Bartel, Scarlett
Kangas - Brent Harvey
Bulldogs - Adam Cooney, Brad Johnson
Melbourne - Nil
Hawks - Lance Franklin, Luke Hodge

Saints- Riewoldt, Hayes

[saintjake]

the question was who could be,
the question was, who are.

so my answer would be roo and harvs.

[linz]

Roo is a superstar now as Harves was in the past. Roo will be one in the past as ................ (who knows) will be in the future. Trouble is I can't think of any up & comer superstars.

[St. Luke]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Agree also,

...and a fit Bally! That kid has guts!

What a shame we can't name more than 3 players in a side that poised such promise! .....

Come on Saints! Show us what you've got against the Crows!!!

[Lennon]

Only one. Rooy
Only one close. Lenny

Lenny is all the star that Riewoldt is.


And I think most will find that other opposition supporters think the same.

You're quite wrong - although opposition supporters do rate Lenny. He is not all that Riewoldt is.