Who's the better FF?

[WayneJudson42]

Kosi or Roo?

Much discussion about our forward line etc. Methinks that all we need to do is increase our set shot conversions by 10 to 20%.

Anyway, who's better suited? Please judge accordingly:

1- Better contested mark

2- Better shot on goal

3- Better lead

4- quicker lead

I'm leaning toward Roo, coz the modern game is leaning towards more mobile forwards.

I can see Kozi playing more as a"Brown" type CHF.

Thoughts?

[The Saintsational Man]

Kosi.....I'd say.

Solid 1 grab mark, can crach packs with his size.

116 Goals, 64 Behinds @ 64.4%.

Just needs to get consistent.

[WayneJudson42]

Thanks for the stats TSM.

See, I don't see Roo as a CHF. Gets smashed around too much. Is a btter lead up player.

Out of left field, but would Goose be a cinsideration? The new rules have made life difficult for him.

At the risk of being abused, I would have liked to see Brooks developed further as a permanent forwad.

[jonesy]

Don't mind the Goose idea. I think we should run with it. His days down back are gone,maybe he can make a name as a power FF

[The Saintsational Man]

I would have liked to see Brooks developed further as a permanent forwad.

Yeah you may cop a belting there.

Lets be honest Brooks was never any good.

Just remember there are heaps of blokes getting paid 6 figures down at Moorabbin, who's job is to develop talent. They gave Brooks a fair crack and it didn't amount to anything.

[bigcarl]

Q: Who is the better full forward out of roo and kosi?
A: Fraser Gehrig.

Seriously, probably roo, but do you waste a bloke with his mobility in the most static position on the ground.

you're better off giving him the whole forward line to work in and tell him to burn off a few opponents.

kosi's a better pack mark and also a more reliable kick, but still gets a bit lost when asked to play solely as a key position forward. in the absence of any better options i think we must persevere with him at ff, rucking occasionally.

so i think at present it's roo chf/wing kosi ff/ruck.

[saintsRrising]

Kosi struggles at FF because:

*one on one good full backs work him over. They nudge him off the ball (he is poor at body on body contact [and he also struggles with bodywork in the ruck] ) and often take front position from him to earn easy in the back free kicks.

*he does not have a fast lead.


What Kosi is good at though is the floating pack mark...coming from the side or across the top.

He is therefore better in space than playing the permanent FF role.

Should be played "out" from goal running towards it...and not from FF leading out.


Roo by contrast is a much better one on one contested mark, is quick on the lead and has an excellent leap with the ability to mark at full stretch.

Roo is much more suited to playing FF than Kosi.

[Shaggy]

Q: Who is the better full forward out of roo and kosi?
A: Fraser Gehrig.

Seriously, probably roo, but do you waste a bloke with his mobility in the most static position on the ground.

Correct on all counts.

[Dan Warna]

Kosi looks a lot bigger than in previous years.

I kind of think of kosi as a skinny gawky tall gangly kid.

but he's filled out a lot more.

he is pretty good at pack marks, and in defence I am pretty sure I saw him crash a few players to take a nice mark.

he's filling out, and will get stronger to add to his natural talent.

[The Saintsational Man]

But I think many of us are getting excited due to his form in the last 2 games.

I think Croad might take him some Saturday night.

Will be interesting to see how he does against a top 4 side.

[bigcarl]

Don't mind the Goose idea. I think we should run with it. His days down back are gone,maybe he can make a name as a power FF

chf. release riewoldt around the ground?

[plugger66]

It shouldnt even require any stats at all to decide this. Roo by a country mile bur we havent got 2 of them so for balance Kosi at the moment is required there.

[WayneJudson42]

IMHO, the demise of Gtrain has left a massive hole in our structure.

BUT, it may also force us into becoming a multi dimensional team up forward.

The responses so far, have hilited the deficiencies in our list. We have a great FF who would be better off roaming on a wing. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

We've seen how advantageous it is down back when we can settle Blake and free up Gram etc to the midfield.

So maybe we need to develop a few others to allow Kosi and Roo to play at the max? Charlie, Goose? Allen?

[Saints Premiers 2008]

having blake settled on a key forward goes a long way to us winning the match

if heis able to break remotely close to even on said key forward one of either sam fish or gram should play midfield at any given time

[WayneJudson42]

exactly! so can we do the same up forward? We're getting off topic, but it's an interesting discussion direction.

I must confees, I've been o/s a bit this year. Is Charlie a possible FF?

[bigcarl]

Is Charlie a possible FF?

he's a lousy kick for goal. geelong sent him packing because he didn't kick enough of them.

[saintsRrising]

exactly! so can we do the same up forward? We're getting off topic, but it's an interesting discussion direction.

I must confees, I've been o/s a bit this year. Is Charlie a possible FF?

I think Charlie is almost an AFL level player capable of playing FF or HFF.

He is good enough to tease you and deliver in some games, but not at a high enough standrad often enough.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

exactly! so can we do the same up forward? We're getting off topic, but it's an interesting discussion direction.

I must confees, I've been o/s a bit this year. Is Charlie a possible FF?

in my opinion the meaning of a forward is to attack, having a kpp up there in allen just to attract a decent defender closer to goal signals we are a defensive team with an idea of negating the opposition both in defence and attack

although if it continues to work with rooey and kosi playing similar roles as they have the past few weeks...who am i to really complain??? we have kicked decent scores and looked a much better team

[bigcarl]

So maybe we need to develop a few others to allow Kosi and Roo to play at the max? Charlie, Goose? Allen?

would be great to have the flexibility to give roo a run on the wing (where he has won us matches recently) or kosi a stint in the ruck (where he has been similarly effective) without leaving us short of key position forwards.

other options (to hold down a key forward position) would be:

BJ: Has the height and skill and footy smarts. also a beautiful kick, but might be needed on the ball

GILBERT: Quick on the lead and good hands once it hits the deck. upper body strength might let him down in marking contests at this stage. awkward but surprisingly effective kick for goal.

SAM FISHER: Similar to BJ, but, like BJ, might be needed on the ball.

ALLEN: Has shown promise but might not be there yet.

CHARLIE: Can get it all right, but yet to do a lot of damage on the scoreboard.

GOOSE: Who knows if we'll ever see him in action again, but fully fit has the strength to be a very good contested marking target, perhaps at chf.

KING OR M. GARDINER: Might be okay to pinch hit at ff occasionally.

so we do have options, but in so many cases it is robbing peter to pay paul. i guess that's the price you pay for flexibility.

oh, i almost forgot

there is also dual coleman medallist FRASER GEHRIG, who led our goal-kicking in 2003, '04, 05', '06 and '07. has some runs/goals on the board and is still a listed player.

[WayneJudson42]

How many games did Charlie play for the cats?

My mail is that he couldn't break into the team coz they were so strong.

[Bernard Shakey]

Charlie is a depth player, a GOP and nothing more.

Michael Gardiner is a different kettle of fish. He could hold down full forward.

[plugger66]

Charlie is a depth player, a GOP and nothing more.

Michael Gardiner is a different kettle of fish. He could hold down full forward.

I disagree completely on MG but I would like to know the reasons you think he could play forward.

My reasons why I dont think he could are that he is to slow on the lead, cannot really take a contested mark and would be run off too many times.

[mad saint guy]

Roo is easily the best FF option we have. But he's also the best CHF, CHB and wingman at the club.

[saints11]

kosi
Riewldt Would be a full forward that runs too far out the 50

[QuestionOfAccuracy]

I think Charlie is almost an AFL level player capable of playing FF or HFF.

He is good enough to tease you and deliver in some games, but not at a high enough standrad often enough.

I agree mate. Seems as if he is one of those players stuck in a gap between VFL and AFL standard.
At times this year he's played some good "patches" of footy and showed "flashes" of class but put it together for long enough.
It's a shame cos' i think we could really use a fwd of his height/mobility as a "3rd fwd" if you like.