Indeed...but as I have been saying all along...lets see where he is at after two full seasons.Animal Enclosure wrote:The proof will be in the pudding next round.... will Lyon get us playing attacking footy from the get go against Carlton? Will he play blokes in positions that have helped get the team going?
It was a great win by the boys but don't get carried away. My opinion of Lyon's coaching ability will be decided over the next month. Can he get the team playing confident footy or will they lapse again into the rubbish they dealt up during the 1st quarter?
Still lots of questions to be answered.
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We must be reading different papers.saintsRrising wrote:So the "real" gameplan was what you saw after quarter time.
So what was ditched...was the "players" gameplan in favour of the "coaches" game plan.
I read that the players did exactly what the coach asked them to do in the first quarter.
He had to clarify his instructions at quarter time due to a miscommunication of what he wanted. Things improved from there.
On that basis I would wonder how many of these communication breakdowns have we had over the past two seasons?
Last night in the second half of the second quarter and the third was the first time that the players have seemed to understand what each other were doing for more than five minutes.
I think there is nothing wrong with being critical of lyon
last night for stretches of time we showed how good we can be.
Also its amazing what a little bit of confidence can do.
further I think in no small part did the tremendous talent we have available get us over the line.
I look at Montagna, goddard, gram, dal santo, ball and Reiwoldt.
All of whom contributed to getting us over the line.
I think with the talent we have available, we should forget this chippilotto rubbish we serve up from time to time and allow these naturally gifted players to shine.
last night for stretches of time we showed how good we can be.
Also its amazing what a little bit of confidence can do.
further I think in no small part did the tremendous talent we have available get us over the line.
I look at Montagna, goddard, gram, dal santo, ball and Reiwoldt.
All of whom contributed to getting us over the line.
I think with the talent we have available, we should forget this chippilotto rubbish we serve up from time to time and allow these naturally gifted players to shine.
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Good enough win. Very happy with the team grouping after the siren. That show of spirit could just be a turning point.
Good to see Milne and Dal Santo respond positively. They came to the crossroads and took the correct responsive road.
Good fighting win against an opposition with just as much to play for.
We showed them shinboner spirit.
Good to see Milne and Dal Santo respond positively. They came to the crossroads and took the correct responsive road.
Good fighting win against an opposition with just as much to play for.
We showed them shinboner spirit.
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Complete RubbishSaints43 wrote:
We must be reading different papers.
I read that the players did exactly what the coach asked them to do in the first quarter.
He had to clarify his instructions at quarter time due to a miscommunication of what he wanted. Things improved from there.
If they did exactly what the coach wanted them to in qtr 1 why did he have have to clarify anything?
The patently did not play to his instructions in qtr1 and did so in the following three quarters.
Along with those instructions the players backed themselves and we won going away.
Both coach and players need to be applauded for the best turnaround since the Saints beat Geelong at Kardinia Park in 1999.
Well done BOTH coach and players.
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I agree that it was a combination of both the players and RL that contributed to our turnaround after 1/4 time. The players started to back themselves more from then on, and took more risks.
I'm also going to reserve my judgments on RL until the end of the season. I've always said that a fair assesment can only be made after a couple of seasons, and I still believe so.
I'm also going to reserve my judgments on RL until the end of the season. I've always said that a fair assesment can only be made after a couple of seasons, and I still believe so.
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Because he miscommunicated his message.Saints43 wrote:joffaboy wrote:Complete Rubbish
If they did exactly what the coach wanted them to in qtr 1 why did he have have to clarify anything?
He said it himself.
FFS.
“I take responsibility for the first quarter,â€
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Because he miscommunicated his message.Saints43 wrote:joffaboy wrote:Complete Rubbish
If they did exactly what the coach wanted them to in qtr 1 why did he have have to clarify anything?
He said it himself.
FFS.
“I take responsibility for the first quarter,â€
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Because he miscommunicated his message.Saints43 wrote:joffaboy wrote:Complete Rubbish
If they did exactly what the coach wanted them to in qtr 1 why did he have have to clarify anything?
He said it himself.
FFS.
“I take responsibility for the first quarter,â€
Lance or James??
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hey SrR, stop stealing my thunder 
Really the Lyon haters are in a quandry aren't they????
Grasping to find something negative about last night.
Would have thought players not following instructions would be negative enough, but apparently it was Lyons fault the players didn't follow his instructions
Now he lack communication, but if you point out that he had 5 minutes to change the first quarter effort, it had nothing to do with him.
Go figure
Really the Lyon haters are in a quandry aren't they????
Grasping to find something negative about last night.
Would have thought players not following instructions would be negative enough, but apparently it was Lyons fault the players didn't follow his instructions
Now he lack communication, but if you point out that he had 5 minutes to change the first quarter effort, it had nothing to do with him.
Go figure
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Poor execution has been the biggest problem all year......
There is nothing wrong with the game plan by and large.....
Looks better when the players do what they are meant to do..
But also looks better now that Lyon is putting Sam, Gram and BJ through the midfield too as we had been lacking players there.
However I think many people should have a look at other teams...if they do they will see "corralling".....they will see kicking "sideways and backwards"....
Gets back to execution and effort though.....when players kick poorly, fail to run etc...you are always going to look poor. Confidence affects all of these.
Hopefully the North game will raise their confidence and we can get the boys ona roll.
There is nothing wrong with the game plan by and large.....
Looks better when the players do what they are meant to do..
But also looks better now that Lyon is putting Sam, Gram and BJ through the midfield too as we had been lacking players there.
However I think many people should have a look at other teams...if they do they will see "corralling".....they will see kicking "sideways and backwards"....
Gets back to execution and effort though.....when players kick poorly, fail to run etc...you are always going to look poor. Confidence affects all of these.
Hopefully the North game will raise their confidence and we can get the boys ona roll.
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honestly, Im a lion critic, but its a bit silly when the pro-lyon crew and the critics of lyon are arguing of semantics.
Lyon took responsibility, instead of blaming the players.
I think thats a step forward for lyon, AND the players.
IMO in the past some players weren't playing for their coach, perhaps if he takes some bullets for them, the will put it on the line for lyon.
even the GT critics admit that many players loved GT and would put it on the line for GT, if lyon can generate that sort of loyalty that can be a positive.
further, i would suggest that lyon is younger than some of us, and isn't perfect.
heck even as a fan of GT, I could never understand his love affair with McGough.
Good win to the saints, I am still not convinced that Lyon is the man for the job, so far he's done well in taking down a team thats had our measure for some time.
and one of our best 4th quarters for the year I would suggest.
North had their opportunities, 9.15 to 12.12 is a story in itself.
last two wins have come from OUR accuracy being better than our opponents.
TBH every week is a must win week for us here on in.
we got schooled by the dogs and geelong, and they are the bench mark atm for us to achieve.
Lyon took responsibility, instead of blaming the players.
I think thats a step forward for lyon, AND the players.
IMO in the past some players weren't playing for their coach, perhaps if he takes some bullets for them, the will put it on the line for lyon.
even the GT critics admit that many players loved GT and would put it on the line for GT, if lyon can generate that sort of loyalty that can be a positive.
further, i would suggest that lyon is younger than some of us, and isn't perfect.
heck even as a fan of GT, I could never understand his love affair with McGough.
Good win to the saints, I am still not convinced that Lyon is the man for the job, so far he's done well in taking down a team thats had our measure for some time.
and one of our best 4th quarters for the year I would suggest.
North had their opportunities, 9.15 to 12.12 is a story in itself.
last two wins have come from OUR accuracy being better than our opponents.
TBH every week is a must win week for us here on in.
we got schooled by the dogs and geelong, and they are the bench mark atm for us to achieve.
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I'll put my hand up as a critic. By the time we were 5 goals down on Saturday night I would have happily handed Lyon his walking orders personally... then the latter part of the 2nd quarter got us back in the game.
I commented at half time that I thought the players had given Lyon complete by-in vs. Freo, and gotten a result. It was now time for Lyon to do the same, and take the risks necessary to reel in that kind of margin if we were serious about being competitive.
Whether that was the case, or whether the players finally did as directed, or whether it was all one or all the other, I don't know.
I don't care.
We won. And If we get the kind of commitment, attack and defense we showed for 3 quarters on regular basis, then we'll get results. If we get results, then I'm happy with the coach.
The Saints were in a hard, hard place 2 weeks ago. A win against Carlton, and they're back in the race with a vengeance, and with opportunities remaining to really show they've turned a corner. If they can get on a roll in the second half, a lot of people will start to remember that we were highly rated at the start of the year.
If the commitment is to winning rather than flooding, then while I'm not yet sold that Lyon is any good, I'm ready to be won over. That was a great win.
I commented at half time that I thought the players had given Lyon complete by-in vs. Freo, and gotten a result. It was now time for Lyon to do the same, and take the risks necessary to reel in that kind of margin if we were serious about being competitive.
Whether that was the case, or whether the players finally did as directed, or whether it was all one or all the other, I don't know.
I don't care.
We won. And If we get the kind of commitment, attack and defense we showed for 3 quarters on regular basis, then we'll get results. If we get results, then I'm happy with the coach.
The Saints were in a hard, hard place 2 weeks ago. A win against Carlton, and they're back in the race with a vengeance, and with opportunities remaining to really show they've turned a corner. If they can get on a roll in the second half, a lot of people will start to remember that we were highly rated at the start of the year.
If the commitment is to winning rather than flooding, then while I'm not yet sold that Lyon is any good, I'm ready to be won over. That was a great win.
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For a start, unlike a few on here fail to realise - you can be cricital of someone and not 'hate' them.
If you haven't been critical of Lyon over his tenure, then I think you're delusional.
If you hate Lyon, then you're also a bit odd (unless you know him personally).
I'm still very critical of Lyon's coaching.
The one thing that we've seen over the past 2 weeks, is the players effort and intensity.
It's taken nearly 2 years to see that for more than 1 quarter.
I felt that our game plan, for the second week in a row nearly cost us a game against average opposition whilst our good players had great games.
Why when we are pathetic, is it the players' fault - but when we win it's the coaches?
And vice versa, when we get rolled it's the coaches fault, but when we win it's the players.
I actually believe it's far closer to the latter. When are guns don't really play well, we get beaten easily. When are guns play brilliantly, we only just get up against average teams.
There were signs on Saturday that our style isn't that bad. We took risks, moved quickly and appeared efficient in scoring.
Not one coach in the football world doesn't have that as their objective.
If having that as your objective makes you a good coach, then yes, Lyon is a good coach.
If actually getting it done makes you a good coach, then Lyon is a poor coach.
It's like a player intending to get 20 kicks each week and pot 5 goals. Doesn't make you a good player for having that objective - you need to actually do it to be any good.
What is ultimately hilarious about this situation, is the irony of it all.
If you haven't been critical of Lyon over his tenure, then I think you're delusional.
If you hate Lyon, then you're also a bit odd (unless you know him personally).
I'm still very critical of Lyon's coaching.
The one thing that we've seen over the past 2 weeks, is the players effort and intensity.
It's taken nearly 2 years to see that for more than 1 quarter.
I felt that our game plan, for the second week in a row nearly cost us a game against average opposition whilst our good players had great games.
Why when we are pathetic, is it the players' fault - but when we win it's the coaches?
And vice versa, when we get rolled it's the coaches fault, but when we win it's the players.
I actually believe it's far closer to the latter. When are guns don't really play well, we get beaten easily. When are guns play brilliantly, we only just get up against average teams.
There were signs on Saturday that our style isn't that bad. We took risks, moved quickly and appeared efficient in scoring.
Not one coach in the football world doesn't have that as their objective.
If having that as your objective makes you a good coach, then yes, Lyon is a good coach.
If actually getting it done makes you a good coach, then Lyon is a poor coach.
It's like a player intending to get 20 kicks each week and pot 5 goals. Doesn't make you a good player for having that objective - you need to actually do it to be any good.
What is ultimately hilarious about this situation, is the irony of it all.
