Sam Gilbert in! HOW?
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Sam Gilbert in! HOW?
What were the coaches not watching last week?????
There have been some average saint efforts over the years....
X.Clarke vs Essendon 2007
Raph Clarke in 2008
M.Maguire early 2007
Many S.Milne games
Many Gehrig games
A couple of Fiora's games
etc, etc.....
but they are all mostly ahead of the ledger, and can be cut slack..
But his game last week was right up there....and his form pre-injury was poor.....How did he come back from a long term injury?, without playing seconds.....he was handy in 2007, but was not cemented in the best 18 at the beginning of 2008.
Some of his disposals were embarrasing, and his fitness was a joke.
Shane Birss was OK in his senior games....last week had 32 disposals for Casey and gives us more midfield run.....
This week against a nimble Kangaroos outfit....we have...
King 202
Kosi 197
Riewoldt 193
Hudghton 191
Allen 192
S.Fisher 192
Gilbert 194
Blake 191
Dempster 192
Goddard 191
Gardiner 190
Gwilt 188
12 players who are medium to big.....is that enough RUN?
There have been some average saint efforts over the years....
X.Clarke vs Essendon 2007
Raph Clarke in 2008
M.Maguire early 2007
Many S.Milne games
Many Gehrig games
A couple of Fiora's games
etc, etc.....
but they are all mostly ahead of the ledger, and can be cut slack..
But his game last week was right up there....and his form pre-injury was poor.....How did he come back from a long term injury?, without playing seconds.....he was handy in 2007, but was not cemented in the best 18 at the beginning of 2008.
Some of his disposals were embarrasing, and his fitness was a joke.
Shane Birss was OK in his senior games....last week had 32 disposals for Casey and gives us more midfield run.....
This week against a nimble Kangaroos outfit....we have...
King 202
Kosi 197
Riewoldt 193
Hudghton 191
Allen 192
S.Fisher 192
Gilbert 194
Blake 191
Dempster 192
Goddard 191
Gardiner 190
Gwilt 188
12 players who are medium to big.....is that enough RUN?
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Sam is waiting for the next great decision of the AFL hierarchy. First, they outlawed the high mark, the one thing that distinguished our game from the rest.
Now, the AFL is looking at outlawing the kick that goes above ground level. Sam is good at getting the ball and, with his preferred foot (one doubts that he actually has two feet), he kicks the ball along the ground.
Once the the AFL outlaws the above the ground kick, Gilbert will be highly sought after, especially by the Northern Drongos.
The sooner the better I say!
Now, the AFL is looking at outlawing the kick that goes above ground level. Sam is good at getting the ball and, with his preferred foot (one doubts that he actually has two feet), he kicks the ball along the ground.
Once the the AFL outlaws the above the ground kick, Gilbert will be highly sought after, especially by the Northern Drongos.
The sooner the better I say!
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agree St Mart. Gilbo was at times terrible last week, some shocking mistakes made.
Question is, who would you put in place of him?
I'd be saying Birss for the run as you suggest.
Birss was unlucky to get axed IMO, but then we have a master coach don't we???
Question is, who would you put in place of him?
I'd be saying Birss for the run as you suggest.
Birss was unlucky to get axed IMO, but then we have a master coach don't we???
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totally mismatched to North with too many medium / talls
North structure up similar to Collingwood in their forward line and we are going to get punished by their medium short forwards ... Birss should have been selected for either Gilbert or Gwilt
On last weeks form Gilbert should have been chopped
But with a long term view Gilbert should have been retained and Gwilt dropped
Instead we have done neither
Birss will be missed
North structure up similar to Collingwood in their forward line and we are going to get punished by their medium short forwards ... Birss should have been selected for either Gilbert or Gwilt
On last weeks form Gilbert should have been chopped
But with a long term view Gilbert should have been retained and Gwilt dropped
Instead we have done neither
Birss will be missed
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yes gwilt played well
as i say it would have been a tough choice between gwilt and gilbert
gilbert deserved to be dropped
but with a longer term view if i had to make a choice to fit birss in ... if I was coach i may have selected gilbert ... not based on form because gwilt's form ast week was better ... but based on me thinking gilbert will be a 10 year player and gwilt doesnt look like having that type of future in AFL
as i say it would have been a tough choice between gwilt and gilbert
gilbert deserved to be dropped
but with a longer term view if i had to make a choice to fit birss in ... if I was coach i may have selected gilbert ... not based on form because gwilt's form ast week was better ... but based on me thinking gilbert will be a 10 year player and gwilt doesnt look like having that type of future in AFL
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Agreed about Gilbert and Gwilt......
one is playing better now......one will be better eventually....
I would prefer if both were at Casey....
and Raph Clarke actually lived up to his potential.......X.Clarke was not always injured......Schnieder was not always injured......Ferguson was not always injured and had a resemblance of confidence........Ross trusted a player under the age of 24 ie/Geary, Armo etc....
one is playing better now......one will be better eventually....
I would prefer if both were at Casey....
and Raph Clarke actually lived up to his potential.......X.Clarke was not always injured......Schnieder was not always injured......Ferguson was not always injured and had a resemblance of confidence........Ross trusted a player under the age of 24 ie/Geary, Armo etc....
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I, along with most, was surprised that Gilbert was picked for the Saints immediately after a long lay off. Having said that, it just shows that Ross obviously rates him and thinks he'll get up to speed quicker playing for the Saints than if he was playing in the VFL.
I'm more surprised about Gwilt's inclusion. If he thought he deserved to be picked why didn't he play last year?
I'm more surprised about Gwilt's inclusion. If he thought he deserved to be picked why didn't he play last year?
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I've said in the past I agree with some stuff ross lyon has done and I've also said he isn't as stupid as timmy watson.Teflon wrote:Go on say it........good choice Rossy....Dan Warna wrote:gilbert is a talent, he was in auto selection form before injury.
pretty sure folks were bagging hayes when he came back from injury.
IMO keep gilby in for the time being.
that said, he is still trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.
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If your medium-talls can run and work well with the ball on the ground, there's no reason why they can't go head to head with smaller blokes.BackFromUSA wrote:totally mismatched to North with too many medium / talls
In fact, it allows us to have a mismatch against them.
Guys like Dempster, Gilbert, Blake, Max, Chips - These guys can all play tall or small.
It still amazes me that Gram is being played as a defensive option.
Gilbert has not played a good game this season......
DO NOT compare Sam Gilbert to Lenny Hayes...
at any point of there careers...
One was a Morrish Medallist, 1st Rnd Draft Pick, Best and Fairest, Club Captain, All Australian, will play 250 games.....
One looks like he maybe a handy player going fwd.....
DO NOT compare Sam Gilbert to Lenny Hayes...
at any point of there careers...
One was a Morrish Medallist, 1st Rnd Draft Pick, Best and Fairest, Club Captain, All Australian, will play 250 games.....
One looks like he maybe a handy player going fwd.....
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I hope he plays him as a Defender, because his skills are not good enough to be an attacker - you need more than a goose step...to make the grade...and a bit of running power wuld be nice...
he will make an OK tall defenedr with a bit of dash in years to come, if he adds some strength....as a flanker we have more skilled options...
he will make an OK tall defenedr with a bit of dash in years to come, if he adds some strength....as a flanker we have more skilled options...
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gilbert has a dose of second year blues compounded by an untimely injury. hopefully will be better for the run last week. i think you under-rate him, marto, but agree he hasn't set the world on fire too often this season. i'd like to see him on a wing or at half forward.
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i disagree, his best games for the club have been when hasn't been played in defenceBigMart wrote:I hope he plays him as a Defender, because his skills are not good enough to be an attacker - you need more than a goose step...to make the grade...and a bit of running power wuld be nice...
he will make an OK tall defenedr with a bit of dash in years to come, if he adds some strength....as a flanker we have more skilled options...
he is a much better kick than what he showed last week, and i think we will see this if he is allowed to play his natural game, instead of trying to fit him in to what Ross wants him to become
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What worries me was Goddard's post match comments that in the last quarter the side was dead on its feet with no run.
No Hayes will weaken us in that area. Kosi will not be match fit. Which means King will have to battle bravely, without the addtional help of either Rix or McEvoy. DalSanto doesnt run.
I think Birss would have been the option to add leg speed.
No Hayes will weaken us in that area. Kosi will not be match fit. Which means King will have to battle bravely, without the addtional help of either Rix or McEvoy. DalSanto doesnt run.
I think Birss would have been the option to add leg speed.
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mate birss is a slight less innacurate version of McGough.sunsaint wrote: I think Birss would have been the option to add leg speed.
Birss has to find a powell/sziller type role in the midfield as their are tractor pulls that go faster.
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????Dan Warna wrote:mate birss is a slight less innacurate version of McGough.sunsaint wrote: I think Birss would have been the option to add leg speed.
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Birrs is a very good and reliable shot on goal..one of our better smalls.
His around the ground passing is also far superior to McG's.
Pace wise Birss would also be significantly quicker.
McG could win more ball...but then could do very little with it.
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