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Sobraz wrote:Howard will not make it... simply shows nothing time and again at the 2nds level, and is a wasted pick... Was shocked to hear Ross mention that he is in contention.. He is nowhere near good enough to step up..
We are in a pretty bad state at the moment..
Your judging this on the back of what? You must have a fair background in football to announce that. Has pace looks to have clean hands and skills no reason he cant make it.
bench doesnt even play well in vfl definately doesnt dominate have seen a fair amount of vfl this season n he is very average... average skills and is not as quick as people make him out to be
Sobraz wrote:Howard will not make it... simply shows nothing time and again at the 2nds level, and is a wasted pick... Was shocked to hear Ross mention that he is in contention.. He is nowhere near good enough to step up..
We are in a pretty bad state at the moment..
Your judging this on the back of what? You must have a fair background in football to announce that. Has pace looks to have clean hands and skills no reason he cant make it.
clean hands??!!.. double grabs at loose balls on the ground all the time.. Pace has absolutley nothing to do with football ability... He is a crap kick, has no outstanding marking abilities, is crap at reading the play... That is why i dont think he'll make it...
surprised to hear you, amongst others, say he has skill... sure he can kick, as an action only, but he cant hit a target... pace is his only 'skill', which is irrelevant when you cant get the ball...
Love how everyone is quick to judge this kid when he hasnt played a game this year and is in just his 2nd AFL season.
Give him a chance and then make some judgements. Does everyone think that Beveridge just picked him on a slight glimpse of talent. Obviously he has some ability and best of luck to him when his chance arises.
MadSaintFan wrote:Love how everyone is quick to judge this kid when he hasnt played a game this year and is in just his 2nd AFL season.
Give him a chance and then make some judgements. Does everyone think that Beveridge just picked him on a slight glimpse of talent. Obviously he has some ability and best of luck to him when his chance arises.
Agree. It's funny cause if he plays a good game everyone will be saying that how good he is and it was a great selection picking him at #27
MadSaintFan wrote:Love how everyone is quick to judge this kid when he hasnt played a game this year and is in just his 2nd AFL season.
Give him a chance and then make some judgements. Does everyone think that Beveridge just picked him on a slight glimpse of talent. Obviously he has some ability and best of luck to him when his chance arises.
Agree. It's funny cause if he plays a good game everyone will be saying that how good he is and it was a great selection picking him at #27
FFS give the kid a chance
He was our second pick is the problem... you have to base it on form... and his form is very average... he needs to improve before he gets a game... i don't see him as ever being anything either... I have given him a chance at VFL, why do i have to base it on AFL form? Its even less impressive that he is very average in VFL...
MadSaintFan wrote:Love how everyone is quick to judge this kid when he hasnt played a game this year and is in just his 2nd AFL season.
Give him a chance and then make some judgements. Does everyone think that Beveridge just picked him on a slight glimpse of talent. Obviously he has some ability and best of luck to him when his chance arises.
Agree. It's funny cause if he plays a good game everyone will be saying that how good he is and it was a great selection picking him at #27
FFS give the kid a chance
He was our second pick is the problem... you have to base it on form... and his form is very average... he needs to improve before he gets a game... i don't see him as ever being anything either... I have given him a chance at VFL, why do i have to base it on AFL form? Its even less impressive that he is very average in VFL...
A lot of people said that we should have taken Clayton Collard insted, but if Howard does not work out we are not the only team that has stuffed up. Collard was delisted after 1 year at Fremantle and is now at Richmond.
I'm just saying give him a chance. He shouldn't have even been given a game last year because he wasn't ready for AFL footy but we didn't have anyone else. Give him 1 more year and if he isn't dominating VFL footy next year than he will be goner.
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MadSaintFan wrote:Love how everyone is quick to judge this kid when he hasnt played a game this year and is in just his 2nd AFL season.
Give him a chance and then make some judgements. Does everyone think that Beveridge just picked him on a slight glimpse of talent. Obviously he has some ability and best of luck to him when his chance arises.
Agree. It's funny cause if he plays a good game everyone will be saying that how good he is and it was a great selection picking him at #27
FFS give the kid a chance
He was our second pick is the problem... you have to base it on form... and his form is very average... he needs to improve before he gets a game... i don't see him as ever being anything either... I have given him a chance at VFL, why do i have to base it on AFL form? Its even less impressive that he is very average in VFL...
Agree entirely.
Why do people think it was OK to gamble with our second pick?
He could - and should - have been taken later if we wanted him. That is not hindsight; I thought exactly that the moment his name was read out.
It's up to him and the recruiting staff to justify the pick; so far nobody has stepped forward.
Howard was up against Kennett's mob last year for a fleeting moment (a one-off appearance) and made little impression and then was voted out by paper (not SMS, phone or internet voting - how weird?) last November.
Somehow he's back now in contention now?
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mightysainters wrote:
He was our second pick is the problem... you have to base it on form... and his form is very average... he needs to improve before he gets a game... i don't see him as ever being anything either... I have given him a chance at VFL, why do i have to base it on AFL form? Its even less impressive that he is very average in VFL...
Agree entirely.
Why do people think it was OK to gamble with our second pick?
He could - and should - have been taken later if we wanted him. That is not hindsight; I thought exactly that the moment his name was read out.
It's up to him and the recruiting staff to justify the pick; so far nobody has stepped forward.
I 100% agree with this in principle.
At the same time I always hesitate to bag picking a player up ahead of where the pundits placed him based on the assumption that we could have gotten him later.
If we really liked him, it's always a gamble to assume nobody else will go after them (esp when our next pick was in round 4). Players go ahead of expectation all the time... we've got little intel on the draft compared to the clubs, who also SHOULD have intel on who others are looking at, and so it could be that the Saints honestly believed if the didn't get Howard where they did that someone else would have.
That said, we've certainly shown a penchant for chasing smokies in the past, and so with little intel either way, it's certainly easy to believe that Howard would still have been available for a later pick, and to date Howard's done less than a number of guys picked between he an Allen.
"Everything comes to he who hustles while he waits"
- Henry Ford
Our coaching staff will be looking for things that may not be standing out to the average punter.
There are plenty of Casey players (not St Kilda reserves) who are playing really good looking footy, but will never have what it takes to step up to AFL level. Being a super player in the VFL means very little. I used to watch Baker play for our reserves when he started out and he couldn't get near the football for nearly a whole season, yet he has made it.
There are others, like Alan Murray, who used to tear them up at VFL level, but just couldn't cut it in the real stuff. Unless we've seen Brad Howard play in at least 10 AFL games, we will not be in a position to make a fair judgement on his ability and of the recruiters' selection of him.
He could - and should - have been taken later if we wanted him. That is not hindsight; I thought exactly that the moment his name was read out.
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I am impressed then.
The moment his name was read out I thought "who the hell is he?"
That you already knew a lot about him would put you in a very very small group.
After a bit of internet work I found out that he was a smokie looked at by a couple of clubs, had great athletic ability, but was raw fotball wise and was being pushed by an ex-Saints player who was his coach. But when his name was called out I knew squat all about him. St Mart went ballistic at the time...at JB going for a smokie so early...and so far that would seem to have been accurate. Howard may make it, but pick 27 was way too early to have taken him.
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You must have a fair background in football to announce that. Has pace looks to have clean hands and skills no reason he cant make it.
