Do we need a FULL SCALE review? !!
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Do we need a FULL SCALE review? !!
Do we need a FULL SCALE REVIEW of our entire Football Department? I say, YES WE DO.
I believe that this review should be conducted by Archie Fraser & Andrew Thompson and they should be given free reign to do the job. Archie would be there for his business acumen and his ability to remove the emotion from the situation, Thommo would be there for his footy expertise as well as his business skills. Perhaps they could ask Brian Cooke and/or Campbell Rose for some tips, or maybe even the template they used at their respective clubs.
There are plenty on here and elsewhere who spruke that this player is chyte or that plaer is chyte or the coach is chyte or his assistants are chyte or I am chyte etc, etc.
This review can cover EVERY ASPECT of our football Department and get to the bottom of our problems (if indeed we have problems) in a methodical and systematic way.
I'm hoping that AF, GW, AT and the Board are planning this already !!
I believe that this review should be conducted by Archie Fraser & Andrew Thompson and they should be given free reign to do the job. Archie would be there for his business acumen and his ability to remove the emotion from the situation, Thommo would be there for his footy expertise as well as his business skills. Perhaps they could ask Brian Cooke and/or Campbell Rose for some tips, or maybe even the template they used at their respective clubs.
There are plenty on here and elsewhere who spruke that this player is chyte or that plaer is chyte or the coach is chyte or his assistants are chyte or I am chyte etc, etc.
This review can cover EVERY ASPECT of our football Department and get to the bottom of our problems (if indeed we have problems) in a methodical and systematic way.
I'm hoping that AF, GW, AT and the Board are planning this already !!
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I agree with this, and agree with the use of AT, but not of Archie Fraser, who would clearly have a major conflict of interest.
I would have a three person team: AT, another board member (what's the name of that woman with corporate experience) and an outsider of some sort: perhaps a former player or club office-holder (Ross Oakley - if he remains acceptable - or Andrew Plympton).
I would have a three person team: AT, another board member (what's the name of that woman with corporate experience) and an outsider of some sort: perhaps a former player or club office-holder (Ross Oakley - if he remains acceptable - or Andrew Plympton).
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Re: Do we need a FULL SCALE review? !!
The way i see it,If a full review didn't end up saying the playing lists mix is shite then it would have failed,it would have been a waste of everyones time.....Eastern wrote:Do we need a FULL SCALE REVIEW of our entire Football Department? I say, YES WE DO.
I believe that this review should be conducted by Archie Fraser & Andrew Thompson and they should be given free reign to do the job. Archie would be there for his business acumen and his ability to remove the emotion from the situation, Thommo would be there for his footy expertise as well as his business skills. Perhaps they could ask Brian Cooke and/or Campbell Rose for some tips, or maybe even the template they used at their respective clubs.
There are plenty on here and elsewhere who spruke that this player is chyte or that plaer is chyte or the coach is chyte or his assistants are chyte or I am chyte etc, etc.
This review can cover EVERY ASPECT of our football Department and get to the bottom of our problems (if indeed we have problems) in a methodical and systematic way.
I'm hoping that AF, GW, AT and the Board are planning this already !!
Will we pick up a player in the SSP window
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My comment was not particularly an anti-archie commentSt DAC wrote:Conflict of interest??? He's the bloody CEO, not the Senior Coach or Football Manager. Who better to have an impartial look-see?
You don't think Brian Cook was involved with the now famous Geelong Full Review? I do.
Of course he should be consulted as part of the review
But wouldn't the whole point of such a review be to get an outside perspective? And archie is surely an insider par excellence
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AT and NB are both on the board now, so they are not impartial either. And particularly Thommo, having played last year under RL, could not be, although I have no idea as to his opinion of the coach.
So who to conduct the review? Everyone in our administration/board would have a particular view, and all outsiders would not have the necessary understanding of our club's culture (for want of a better description) to do the job justice.
I can't see any better mix than around 50/50 inside/outside, and if that's the case then Archie as the CEO (and whose job ultimately is impacted by club results) should get a guernsey.
So who to conduct the review? Everyone in our administration/board would have a particular view, and all outsiders would not have the necessary understanding of our club's culture (for want of a better description) to do the job justice.
I can't see any better mix than around 50/50 inside/outside, and if that's the case then Archie as the CEO (and whose job ultimately is impacted by club results) should get a guernsey.
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Perhaps you should partition this and send it in...
EASTERN Perhaps you should partition this and send it in...there is no doubt the club would benefit from such!
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We do not need an independent full scale review of the football operations.
I assume we have a Board review every year and should suffice.
AT and NB should be close enough to the players and coaching staff to already have a fair idea of any major problems (apart from the fact that we are playing average footy).
The Board simply needs to make informed decisions after all the presentations from key personell.
I assume we have a Board review every year and should suffice.
AT and NB should be close enough to the players and coaching staff to already have a fair idea of any major problems (apart from the fact that we are playing average footy).
The Board simply needs to make informed decisions after all the presentations from key personell.
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I think sometimes when you are close to things that you are not always that objective. An independant review should maintain that objectivity and would be more readily accepted by those affected.Shaggy wrote:We do not need an independent full scale review of the football operations.I assume we have a Board review every year and should suffice.
AT and NB should be close enough to the players and coaching staff to already have a fair idea of any major problems (apart from the fact that we are playing average footy).The Board simply needs to make informed decisions after all the presentations from key personell.
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I agree in certain circumstances but not in the current situation. The Board is relatively new, the majority of personell and players were pre their time, there are no divided loyalties, they are not out of the loop as RB was (given GT's lack of co-operation with the old Board) ... there is no reason to doubt the objectivity of any of the directors.WinnersOnly wrote:I think sometimes when you are close to things that you are not always that objective. An independant review should maintain that objectivity and would be more readily accepted by those affected.Shaggy wrote:We do not need an independent full scale review of the football operations.I assume we have a Board review every year and should suffice.
AT and NB should be close enough to the players and coaching staff to already have a fair idea of any major problems (apart from the fact that we are playing average footy).The Board simply needs to make informed decisions after all the presentations from key personell.
It is always better to make decisions based on first hand information.
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Ausfatcat, the people I have spoken to about AF are several current and two former staff members. Not an easy man to work for apparently. According to them, there is less atmosphere in the place than on the moon. Not a happy ship by all accounts. I know disgruntled employees always bag the boss, but where there's smoke, there's blue cod!
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Ausfatcat, the people I have spoken to about AF are several current and two former staff members. Not an easy man to work for apparently. According to them, there is less atmosphere in the place than on the moon. Not a happy ship by all accounts. I know disgruntled employees always bag the boss, but where there's smoke, there's blue cod!
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I apologise for posting this from what I posted on another thread but I feel it is as relevant to this thread also.
I believe we could do with a full review. If the results are as poor as they have been it is not ONE singular problem.
Here's an interesting fact to think about.
Mark Thompson as coach at year 7 at Geelong had a win/loss ratio in the negative.
Look where just a bit more patience and soul searching got them.
I heard Matthew Scarlett on SEN today say that when they had the big heart to heart that Bomber was "oh so close to getting the arse" His words.
Does the Stkilda FC have that much patience ?
Probably not. We want blood instead. And therefore we don't have the ultimate success either.
Also there was an interesting article in the Saints/Bulldogs footy record about the opals basketball team. They said to get success there needed to be a system in place that was correct and remained in place regardless of personel. That way when a weakness in personel was targeted that would be addressed and the system remained.
I don't think we have a house that's in order as such.
We could find another coach and it probably wouldn't make any difference.
I believe we could do with a full review. If the results are as poor as they have been it is not ONE singular problem.
Here's an interesting fact to think about.
Mark Thompson as coach at year 7 at Geelong had a win/loss ratio in the negative.
Look where just a bit more patience and soul searching got them.
I heard Matthew Scarlett on SEN today say that when they had the big heart to heart that Bomber was "oh so close to getting the arse" His words.
Does the Stkilda FC have that much patience ?
Probably not. We want blood instead. And therefore we don't have the ultimate success either.
Also there was an interesting article in the Saints/Bulldogs footy record about the opals basketball team. They said to get success there needed to be a system in place that was correct and remained in place regardless of personel. That way when a weakness in personel was targeted that would be addressed and the system remained.
I don't think we have a house that's in order as such.
We could find another coach and it probably wouldn't make any difference.