Is this the right time to tank?
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Is this the right time to tank?
I know lots will hate this but there could be a real bonus for having a terrible year. Alot of recruiters are suggesting this up coming draft will have a beauty of a top 10. With the raping of the following 2-5 drafts this is the last chance to get some real talent into the ranks.
The catalyst for the hawks revival was their trading of senior players and bringing in some real good talent. We have a great CORE set of player between 22-27.
Trade a player like kosi for a first rounder and get 3-4 quality kids into our system. In addition to the development of the likes of howard, geary, big mac, allen etc. for the rest of the year things can turn around very quickly.
The catalyst for the hawks revival was their trading of senior players and bringing in some real good talent. We have a great CORE set of player between 22-27.
Trade a player like kosi for a first rounder and get 3-4 quality kids into our system. In addition to the development of the likes of howard, geary, big mac, allen etc. for the rest of the year things can turn around very quickly.
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Re: Is this the right time to tank?
Kosi for a first rounder.................................. good to see we can still come on to Saintsational for a little bit of humour.Solar wrote:I know lots will hate this but there could be a real bonus for having a terrible year. Alot of recruiters are suggesting this up coming draft will have a beauty of a top 10. With the raping of the following 2-5 drafts this is the last chance to get some real talent into the ranks.
The catalyst for the hawks revival was their trading of senior players and bringing in some real good talent. We have a great CORE set of player between 22-27.
Trade a player like kosi for a first rounder and get 3-4 quality kids into our system. In addition to the development of the likes of howard, geary, big mac, allen etc. for the rest of the year things can turn around very quickly.
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5 prelims in 7 years. 40 wins from 49 games.
2009 and 2010 were 2 of the 5 best years ever by the St.Kilda FC.
Thanks for all your efforts Saints.
2009 and 2010 were 2 of the 5 best years ever by the St.Kilda FC.
Thanks for all your efforts Saints.
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Tanking does exist, we all know that AOK....it's by design of team, not necessarily players not trying on game day.
Anyway, it is pointless for us to tank, given how many shyte teams that are below us on less wins right now, and these teams will stay below us.
So....we have little to achieve ladder position wise to tank.
We deseperately need every member we can get....Saints fans are very, very fickle and we will probably record a loss next season with only 28K members IMO.
We need to keep trying to win, somehow perhaps make the eight through default, and cash in on it while we can.
......and then trade Kosi at the end of the season (for his and our good!) for a SECOND round pick!
Anyway, it is pointless for us to tank, given how many shyte teams that are below us on less wins right now, and these teams will stay below us.
So....we have little to achieve ladder position wise to tank.
We deseperately need every member we can get....Saints fans are very, very fickle and we will probably record a loss next season with only 28K members IMO.
We need to keep trying to win, somehow perhaps make the eight through default, and cash in on it while we can.
......and then trade Kosi at the end of the season (for his and our good!) for a SECOND round pick!
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If by tank you mean deliberately throw games to win, then no way. We have integrity as an honest club, and without much success that's just about all we have to hang our hats on.
If by tank you mean "Explore list management options and develop a new gameplan from the ground up", then i'm all for that at this stage.
Limping into the finals, possibly beating Collingwood, and getting to another Semi, only to get smashed by the dogs would probably break my spirits.
If by tank you mean "Explore list management options and develop a new gameplan from the ground up", then i'm all for that at this stage.
Limping into the finals, possibly beating Collingwood, and getting to another Semi, only to get smashed by the dogs would probably break my spirits.
Players don't, can't and will never go out and try to lose a match. I don't believe the players can do that. Coaches, managers and everyone else will try to make them lose by selecting kids and sending people in for surgery and coming up with a stupid gameplan, but you can't tell players to go out and lose cos I dont think they could...
So we have been tanking since round one 2007.mick13 wrote:Players don't, can't and will never go out and try to lose a match. I don't believe the players can do that. Coaches, managers and everyone else will try to make them lose by selecting kids and sending people in for surgery and coming up with a stupid gameplan, but you can't tell players to go out and lose cos I dont think they could...
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I will clarify, for those in outrage,
I did mean in the sense that we will use the rest of the season as a sounding board for the next 2-3 years. Yes try out players in certain places, bring in young players and give them their head for 4-6 weeks on end. Leave a young player on a dominating oppoisition player to speed up their development.....
No footballer or coach would go out to lose a match, too much is at stake. But as losses mount up and we slip down the ladder (a game off 12th) I can't help but wonder if it might just turn out to our advantage in the longer turn. Much rather this now then in 1-2 years
I did mean in the sense that we will use the rest of the season as a sounding board for the next 2-3 years. Yes try out players in certain places, bring in young players and give them their head for 4-6 weeks on end. Leave a young player on a dominating oppoisition player to speed up their development.....
No footballer or coach would go out to lose a match, too much is at stake. But as losses mount up and we slip down the ladder (a game off 12th) I can't help but wonder if it might just turn out to our advantage in the longer turn. Much rather this now then in 1-2 years
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2013 trade/draft best ever?
Billings - future brownlow medallist Longer - future best ruck
Dunstan - future captain Eli - future cult hero
Acres - future norm smith
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In richo I trust
2013 trade/draft best ever?
Billings - future brownlow medallist Longer - future best ruck
Dunstan - future captain Eli - future cult hero
Acres - future norm smith
Or it implies the coaching staff pulling Fevola off just when they're looking the goods, or leaving Travis Johnstone untagged.aussierules0k wrote:Tanking is a total media beat up.
The only way a club could in anyway tank is by selecting kids.
This is not tanking if you are looking to the future.
Tanking implies players not trying or worse missing targets - on purpose.
I could make a crack about St Kilda players not trying even when no-one's asking them to tank, but that'd depress me too much . . .
The singers wouldn't deliberately stuff up, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. If a choir director was given first dibs at any decent tenors in the area if his performances sucked, I can easily see a less principled person unbalancing the sections or giving solos to people who can't handle them.aussierules0k wrote: A healthy ego would never look silly in front of their family, friends and fans on purpose. Try asking a singer to tank at his next gig.... ala sing out of tune. Not gonna happen.
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We haven't. If we did, we wouldn't have finished with 5.5 instead of 5 wins in 2001, and we'd have picked both Wells and Goddard. If we'd done what, we'd probably have won a flag in 04 or 05.Eastern wrote:Here, Here !!saint66au wrote:I would sincerely hope that the St KIlda FOotball Club would never entertain the idea of tanking
Personally, I'm happy that we didn't, and we can prove that we didn't just by pointing to that one fact. Any success Carlton has in the next few years can be mocked quite easily - they tanked to get picks, just like they cheated the salary cap in the 90's. They never could understand the concept of a fair competition.
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