Clint Jones
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Thought it was the best game I've seen from him. He was the only Saint player who seemed capable of beating his direct opponent for foot speed. Presented well all day and did good work in packs. His one sidedness will continue to be his Achilles heal, but he is not alone in that department in the team at the moment (cf 2004).
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Indeed. Last year his kicking was shocking. At the moment he is best 22 material.saintsrus wrote:His kicking seems to be improving
Has he got better or have the Saints overall got worse?
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Both.battye wrote:
Has he got better or have the Saints overall got worse?
However lets not do a disservice to Jones in this thread.
He played very well today....and used the ball well.
A couple of time he ran into trouble....but that was it.
If it was not for is "past" reputaion we would not even be discussing his ball use except to say that he was one of the better St Kilda players today including his passing and two nice goals.
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His uncontested disposal of the footy has definitely improved (in that he no longer consistently misses loose team mates 15m away), but I'm yet to see him get the ball in a contested situation and not turn it over.
I'm still far from sold on him, but then again there aren't any reserves worthy of a game either. At least he's not keeping Geary and Armitage out of the team.
I'm still far from sold on him, but then again there aren't any reserves worthy of a game either. At least he's not keeping Geary and Armitage out of the team.
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Fair dinkum MSG.....you keep bagging this guy...even when in games such as this he played very well.mad saint guy wrote:His uncontested disposal of the footy has definitely improved (in that he no longer consistently misses loose team mates 15m away), but I'm yet to see him get the ball in a contested situation and not turn it over.
I'm still far from sold on him, but then again there aren't any reserves worthy of a game either. At least he's not keeping Geary and Armitage out of the team.
And his game today was actaully far superior to Armos.
Against the Lions he was good...and had few mates.
So how about a bit of credit where credit is due??
As to reserves...Harvey, X and bakes should all come back in whet fit.....and I would not see CJ being the one to make way for any of them.
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CJ is definitely on the improve.
Skills are obviously never going to be superb, but he has the perfect attitude. He gives his all, is playin to earn his spot in the side, and doesn't shirk any contests.
Will never be a part of our elite midfield, but as a second string midfielder, serves a purpose. Also, kicks a few handy goals, which means if he is having a shot with that kicking style, then there is no reason why our gun midfielders shouldn't.
Skills are obviously never going to be superb, but he has the perfect attitude. He gives his all, is playin to earn his spot in the side, and doesn't shirk any contests.
Will never be a part of our elite midfield, but as a second string midfielder, serves a purpose. Also, kicks a few handy goals, which means if he is having a shot with that kicking style, then there is no reason why our gun midfielders shouldn't.
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problem is whether he had a good game or not, he's not good enough.
players with big hearts and no skill are the death of any team that gets mesmerized by their spirit.
go for class all the time, I say.
C Jones would NEVER get a game under Mick Malthouse, because he has no time for players who are not good enough, and would sooner play kids before they're ready
We did that once - play kids before they were ready. It was 1997 and the kids were Jones, Brown, and Smith
players with big hearts and no skill are the death of any team that gets mesmerized by their spirit.
go for class all the time, I say.
C Jones would NEVER get a game under Mick Malthouse, because he has no time for players who are not good enough, and would sooner play kids before they're ready
We did that once - play kids before they were ready. It was 1997 and the kids were Jones, Brown, and Smith
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Actually I reckon a couple of times he was sold into trouble..saintsRrising wrote:Both.battye wrote:
Has he got better or have the Saints overall got worse?
However lets not do a disservice to Jones in this thread.
He played very well today....and used the ball well.
A couple of time he ran into trouble....but that was it.
If it was not for is "past" reputaion we would not even be discussing his ball use except to say that he was one of the better St Kilda players today including his passing and two nice goals.
I would FAR FAR prefer seeing abloke take someone on and get caught than just not bother trying to make position to help a teammate out.
At one point in the last (?) quarter he was given the ball by hand as he was about to run past 2 Bulldog players..I cant remember who dished it off to him but it was a suicide handpass. CJ was wrapped up and gone, yet some people around me still screamed at him. "Why did you take them on?????"
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Fair dinkum, this is gonna sound tres elitist, but being at games when we arent playing well is a fascinating exercise in human behaviour. Too many people have absolutely no idea about football, resorting to screams of "Oh just KICK IT" after more than 2 handpasses. Then when they get their wish its "OH HAVE A LOOK BEFORE YOU KICK IT, WHO WAS THAT TO??"
Back on topic, blokes in our side who will chase and harrass and actually put pressure on the ball carrier are in very short supply at the moment. His kicking is NOT as bad as the doomsayers claim. Aim your gun somewhere else if you are gonna pot blokes for poor disposal.
CJ MUST stay in the side
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There is a role for a Clinton Jones at the club, but - as I will say until I am blue in the face - there is no future in an AFL team selecting more than 1 or 2 low skilled, try hard players like him every week. Yesterday we had Jones, Dempster, Birss, Blake, Leigh Fisher (actually a cut above those others skills-wise, but he seems to be running up and down on the spot ATM) Geary (probably got more skills than any of the others, but he's young and struggling with the tempo of AFL).groupie1 wrote:problem is whether he had a good game or not, he's not good enough.
players with big hearts and no skill are the death of any team that gets mesmerized by their spirit.
go for class all the time, I say.
C Jones would NEVER get a game under Mick Malthouse, because he has no time for players who are not good enough, and would sooner play kids before they're ready
We did that once - play kids before they were ready. It was 1997 and the kids were Jones, Brown, and Smith
We need to have more players in our team who can do damage to our opponents with the ball in our hand and fewer whose main role is to stop or shut down opponents. Jones is not a ball player and he isn't really a stopper either. Like Blake, he's a trier who gives 150 per cent: but, unlike Blake, he can't play a tagging role and he can't play in the ruck.
So Blake will always be better than him.
That said, I like Jones a lot more than I like Dempster or, for that matter, Schneider ATM.
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Also unlike Blake, he can and will actually use raw leg speed to chase an opponent down and disposess him. We have exactly ONE player in our side capable of that regularly..and thats CJ.unlike Blake, he can't play a tagging role and he can't play in the ruck.
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agree mr bean[sorry] what has also impressed me aboutCJ is that he appears to have worked to improve skills,in my side every weekStBean wrote:Good attitude, finds the ball and wont avoid a good contest, ya cant teach that.
Skills on the other hand, he can work on. Id be more worried if he couldnt get the pill.
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All respect to CJ, he's been good this season, and for now has settled himself into a deserved spot in the AFL... Dal Santo was St Kilda's best player on Sunday, and still had the crowd riding him for being soft.sunsaint wrote:Give me a team of Clint Jones' and I will beat your team of NDS' each AND every time.
every poster here that claimed he should never wear the red white and black should have a tattoo accross their foreheads.
Under or over-rated in general, Dal is under-appreciated by a lot of Saints fans.
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