2nd Tier Key Defenders
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2nd Tier Key Defenders
It looks like we may be without both Hudghton (hamstring) and Maguire (foot) for our next game. Who is going to replace these two as key defenders?
Fisher and Goddard are the two most likely candidates, but both play far better as the 3rd tall defender where they can use their ability to read the play to spoil, clean up and rebound with freedom. We lose lots of run from our defence when Fisher and Goddard are forced to lock in on an opponent.
From there we start looking at the likes of Jason Blake, Raphael Clarke and James Gwilt. Not exactly the kind of guys that are going to strike fear into a key forward.
Is it too late to re-invent Gehrig as a full back again?
Fisher and Goddard are the two most likely candidates, but both play far better as the 3rd tall defender where they can use their ability to read the play to spoil, clean up and rebound with freedom. We lose lots of run from our defence when Fisher and Goddard are forced to lock in on an opponent.
From there we start looking at the likes of Jason Blake, Raphael Clarke and James Gwilt. Not exactly the kind of guys that are going to strike fear into a key forward.
Is it too late to re-invent Gehrig as a full back again?
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Re: 2nd Tier Key Defenders
Yes.Statsman wrote:It looks like we may be without both Hudghton (hamstring) and Maguire (foot) for our next game. Who is going to replace these two as key defenders?
Fisher and Goddard are the two most likely candidates, but both play far better as the 3rd tall defender where they can use their ability to read the play to spoil, clean up and rebound with freedom. We lose lots of run from our defence when Fisher and Goddard are forced to lock in on an opponent.
From there we start looking at the likes of Jason Blake, Raphael Clarke and James Gwilt. Not exactly the kind of guys that are going to strike fear into a key forward.
Is it too late to re-invent Gehrig as a full back again?
Rix could be an OK matchup for someone like Rocca.
Ferguson would be another option.
Add Blake/Clarke/Gwilt and we have a fair lot of second-string defenders, but no first-line stoppers
But I think our defence will have trouble if they're both out, so we might have to . . . ermmm . . . flood a bit. Which mightn't make that much difference . . .![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Ferguson would be another option.
Add Blake/Clarke/Gwilt and we have a fair lot of second-string defenders, but no first-line stoppers
But I think our defence will have trouble if they're both out, so we might have to . . . ermmm . . . flood a bit. Which mightn't make that much difference . . .
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From the players not in the 22 against the Tigers, Geary, Gwilt, Ferguson, Blake, L Fisher are all candidates to come into the team in defence.
IF we still have Sam Fisher AND Max...then I a quite comfortable with how our defence can be structured up.
But without Max.......you would have to say that you want our mids to be flying.
Gwilt did ok last year when called on....but reports of his Casey form have been patchy.
Could he take Bradshaw in 2 games time????
IF we still have Sam Fisher AND Max...then I a quite comfortable with how our defence can be structured up.
But without Max.......you would have to say that you want our mids to be flying.
Gwilt did ok last year when called on....but reports of his Casey form have been patchy.
Could he take Bradshaw in 2 games time????
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A bit raw in the full back line for mine - would prefer Blake for Raph if Max does not come up. I like Raph, but prefer him on a midfield flank or on HF line.mad saint guy wrote:Gwilt did a fair job at full back last year when we had similar injuries.
B: R.Clarke, Gwilt, Geary
HB: Gram, S.Fisher, Goddard
Doesn't look too bad. Blake and Ferguson other options. People may suggest Dempster but he is out-bodied far too easily to be a key defender.
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how does allen go in defense?
for the mosters bring in rix
kosi can always go back if that doesn't work
fisher
bj
blake
raph
gwilt
can all take certain match ups
and what about gram he has played on the tall forward before.... and should allow him some latitude from his opponent... because atm the small fowards he plays on are sticking close with him.
for the mosters bring in rix
kosi can always go back if that doesn't work
fisher
bj
blake
raph
gwilt
can all take certain match ups
and what about gram he has played on the tall forward before.... and should allow him some latitude from his opponent... because atm the small fowards he plays on are sticking close with him.
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No...you are better off putting some on them that can run off them and really hurt the opostion with rebound.james rose wrote:
for the mosters bring in rix
Certainly not Rix. He would not negate enough....nor would he create drive.
Others may lack in negating skils...but at least we can gain some benefit from rebound.
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sorry, a bit off topic but seeing as Grammy has been down on form in defense, does anyone see any potential in him as a forward?
has he ever had a run down there?
he's got pace to get out on a lead and is a long kick so maybe there's something to work with there...just a thought...
I'd also like to see BJ down forward in some games, but it's not likely with Max and Goose out I suppose.
has he ever had a run down there?
he's got pace to get out on a lead and is a long kick so maybe there's something to work with there...just a thought...
I'd also like to see BJ down forward in some games, but it's not likely with Max and Goose out I suppose.
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Nope. As a forward you have to win your own footy under pressure. Gram is probably the biggest receiver in the competition. He's ok when he just runs past for the handball, but put an opponent within 10m of him and he's useless.spiral2 wrote:sorry, a bit off topic but seeing as Grammy has been down on form in defense, does anyone see any potential in him as a forward?
has he ever had a run down there?
he's got pace to get out on a lead and is a long kick so maybe there's something to work with there...just a thought...
Biggest receiver in the competition. Now that is a bit rough. He is an outside player and when in form is very much needed. And useless. I hope you thought that way the last 2 years as well.mad saint guy wrote:Nope. As a forward you have to win your own footy under pressure. Gram is probably the biggest receiver in the competition. He's ok when he just runs past for the handball, but put an opponent within 10m of him and he's useless.spiral2 wrote:sorry, a bit off topic but seeing as Grammy has been down on form in defense, does anyone see any potential in him as a forward?
has he ever had a run down there?
he's got pace to get out on a lead and is a long kick so maybe there's something to work with there...just a thought...
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He can be a quality outside rebounder, but I can't think of anyone with a worse inside game than Gram.plugger66 wrote:Biggest receiver in the competition. Now that is a bit rough. He is an outside player and when in form is very much needed. And useless. I hope you thought that way the last 2 years as well.
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Ferguson didnt do well as a CHB.....he has played about 3 or 4 games in the last 4 years and has been towelled up numerous times, Ken Mcgregor in the 05 Qualifying final being the most notable.
James Gwilt has lost a lot of weight since last year in an attempt to improve his running. He is not the key back option that he was 12 months ago
James Gwilt has lost a lot of weight since last year in an attempt to improve his running. He is not the key back option that he was 12 months ago