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I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Roo has a higher goal % than Buddy this year. This is however, based on overall goals rather than set shots.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
You have to take into account the quality of some of Buddy's points.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
When Riewoldt kicks points, they don't look nearly as good as Buddy's
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Seriously, i don't understand how people are giving Franklin s***.
He's kicked 30 goals, from 6 games, Double what Riewoldt's kicked.
He's 21, not 25.
He's had more disposals then Riewoldt.
54 - 21 Scoring shots at goal
Then again, i don't get why people give s*** to Riewoldts kicking. He's been good this year, hasn't missed many, especially not easy ones, and he's kicked 15.6.
He's kicked 30 goals, from 6 games, Double what Riewoldt's kicked.
He's 21, not 25.
He's had more disposals then Riewoldt.
54 - 21 Scoring shots at goal
Then again, i don't get why people give s*** to Riewoldts kicking. He's been good this year, hasn't missed many, especially not easy ones, and he's kicked 15.6.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Spinner wrote:Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)
Franklin has two distances
he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square
anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo
i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Seriously dude, here is some advice.The_Dud wrote:Spinner wrote:Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)
Franklin has two distances
he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square
anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo
i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......
Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.
It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.Spinner wrote:Seriously dude, here is some advice.
Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.
It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.
Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.
Hawthorn are a quality side.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
I heard somewhere, which I totally agree with.evertonfc wrote:It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.Spinner wrote:Seriously dude, here is some advice.
Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.
It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.
Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.
Hawthorn are a quality side.
Buddy has been front page news ALL WEEK. Compared ALL WEEK to the greatest our game has seen.
He was always going to crack. And I dont see 1.7 at all that bad. Its better than 2.4 every other week like Roo and Richo alike.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Let me get this straight - Buddy Franklin kicks 1.7 but that's okay because Hawthorn are a quality side? 1.7 is a scoreline that would have placed a loss on Buddy's head if they weren't a quality side, or if Richmond were.evertonfc wrote:It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.Spinner wrote:Seriously dude, here is some advice.
Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.
It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.
Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.
Hawthorn are a quality side.
By the same token as the comment above about Saints supporters being biased in favour of our players, I am continually disgusted by the number of Saints supporters who fawn on others teams stars as if doing so made them objective. Franklin's done this before, it's the remaining flaw in his game.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Buddy and Richo have very comparable percentages, very comparable dominance of the game at a young age, icluding the hype Richo used to get.Spinner wrote: I heard somewhere, which I totally agree with.
Buddy has been front page news ALL WEEK. Compared ALL WEEK to the greatest our game has seen.
He was always going to crack. And I dont see 1.7 at all that bad. Its better than 2.4 every other week like Roo and Richo alike.
If you don't see 1.7 as that bad, then you're missing a lot of what Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown and even Hall do in order to help their team by being team players and not simply taking a shot every time the ball's in their hands. Franklin's clearly in the elite based on scoreboard pressure, marks, and ability, and he can clearly be the best of the bunch - but he needs to get the 1.7s out of the repertoire to take the debate out of it.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
I never said it was a good thing; I only commented that they have the flexibility in player ability to cover for any problems that emerge.BAM! (shhhh) wrote: Let me get this straight - Buddy Franklin kicks 1.7 but that's okay because Hawthorn are a quality side? 1.7 is a scoreline that would have placed a loss on Buddy's head if they weren't a quality side, or if Richmond were.
That is plan B. If our forward line mis-fires or is beaten outright, our game plan dies an instant death.
Right.By the same token as the comment above about Saints supporters being biased in favour of our players, I am continually disgusted by the number of Saints supporters who fawn on others teams stars as if doing so made them objective. Franklin's done this before, it's the remaining flaw in his game.
Hawthorn, 6-0, and looking capable of winning a premiership - and staying competitive for the next five years.
St Kilda, 3-3, looking 50-50 just to make the eight, don't look competitive against good teams and possibly in need of a new coach and some serious of rebuilding in 2009.
That's not being pessimistic - that's very much the scenario facing us if we maintain, as a whole, our current path.
As for Buddy, he has an off day and someone else fills in - so what? Who fills in for us when Riewoldt has an off day?
That's the difference between us and them. They're not slow, undisciplined, predictable or one-dimensional.
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By and large I agree. Hawthorn is looking very good, St. Kilda is not.
It's not hard to be impressed with Buddy Franklin or with Hawthorn. The most impressive thing about Franklin is that he's still got plenty of scope for improvement... there are few guys capable of earning the opportunity to kick that badly. The impressive thing about Hawthorn is that they're a great side for the forseeable future whether he fulfills that or not, as exemplified by their winning when Franklin kicked a losing score.
What surprised me was the suggestion that Franklin is somehow not open to criticism from our side of the fence.
It's not hard to be impressed with Buddy Franklin or with Hawthorn. The most impressive thing about Franklin is that he's still got plenty of scope for improvement... there are few guys capable of earning the opportunity to kick that badly. The impressive thing about Hawthorn is that they're a great side for the forseeable future whether he fulfills that or not, as exemplified by their winning when Franklin kicked a losing score.
What surprised me was the suggestion that Franklin is somehow not open to criticism from our side of the fence.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
sorry my friend, i think u have missed the WHOLE POINT of this threadSpinner wrote:Seriously dude, here is some advice.The_Dud wrote:Spinner wrote:Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.The_Dud wrote:Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......
oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!
Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)
Franklin has two distances
he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square
anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo
i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......
Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.
It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.
u, along with many on here, have carried on about how goood a kick for goal Buddy is, and how much better he is than Roo, and all that
the fact is, that is WRONG
and when Buddy comes out and shows this by kicking scores like 1.7 and 1.11 (hell, even 8.6) you still tow the line that hes a great kick for goal!?!?
if Roo came out next week and kicked 1.7, i'd say u would be one of the first to pot him about not being an elite player cos he can't kick, but when buddy does it, u brush it off.....?
don't get suckered in by the highlight reel showing buddy slot a few from outside 50 and on the boundary, cos they don't show the ones he misses from 30 meters out
THE POINT IS, Buddy is no better a kick for goal than Roo (he's probably worse, as the stats show...), all he is is a LONGER kick than Roo, but again, this doesn't mean he's a BETTER kick, just look at Rocca.....
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
I guess you didn't see Buddy's goal. One metre at most.Spinner wrote:
Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.
Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)
And Roo doesn't kick well under pressure, unlike let's say, Pavlich
Win it for HIM!
Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
Well, that's certainly not what happens on SS at any rate.evertonfc wrote:
It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.
Riewoldt gets blamed for us losing, when most of the team plays like sh1t, because he misses a shot on goal, despite easily being in our best players for the match.
Buddy kicks 1.7 yet is not to be criticised because somebody else stepped up and the Hawks still won.
Try to apply a little logic to your own argument and you will see it makes no sense!
Exactly.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:
If you don't see 1.7 as that bad, then you're missing a lot of what Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown and even Hall do in order to help their team by being team players and not simply taking a shot every time the ball's in their hands. .
It seems to me that Buddy bought a bit too much of his own press last week.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
By who?Lennon wrote: Riewoldt gets blamed for us losing, when most of the team plays like sh1t, because he misses a shot on goal, despite easily being in our best players for the match.
No respected poster would ever blame him for us losing. What an odd thing to suggest.
You need to apply some perspective mate.Buddy kicks 1.7 yet is not to be criticised because somebody else stepped up and the Hawks still won.
Buddy's had a corker of a year. He's allowed one off day now and again.
Not only that, but someone else stepped in.
Done and dusted.
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Re: I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....
You have got to be joking. Have you been reading the vitriol posted on here about him after losses for about the last three years?evertonfc wrote:
He almost never gets blamed for us losing. What an odd thing to say.
But that is completely irrelevant.evertonfc wrote:
Not only that, but someone else stepped in.
We are talking about Franklin and Riewoldt's kicking, not about which team still plays well if they misfire.