fraser
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- Enrico_Misso
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11662
- Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2006 12:11am
- Location: Moorabbin Chapter of The Royal Society of Hagiographers
- Has thanked: 315 times
- Been thanked: 720 times
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13782
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1313 times
- Been thanked: 2051 times
So let me get this straight... we need to get rid of gehrig, r clarke, x clarke, riewoldt, dalsanto, kosi, fiora, gilbert, hudghton, joey, milney, birss, grammy, blakey, bally,leigh fisher etc etc as well as ross lyon and all the assistant coaches all the training staff and anyone else that I havent mentioned? Im sure some of you geniuses will let me know of any that i have missed ![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
- Bernard Shakey
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11237
- Joined: Sun 18 Mar 2007 11:22pm
- Location: Down By The River 1989, 2003, 2009 & 2013
- Has thanked: 120 times
- Been thanked: 137 times
- mad saint guy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7064
- Joined: Tue 26 Jul 2005 9:44pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 52 times
- Been thanked: 355 times
Gehrig will kick goals if he gets the delivery deep in the forward line. He doesn't apply pressure, he doesn't run up the ground to get the footy and he is less than useless at ground level. If he doesn't get lace-out delivery then his only strength (kicking goals) is non-existent and everyone calls for his head. However if the midfield is kicking it to him well then suddenly he's back in town and he's a star.
If Gehrig played for Geelong today he would have kicked 8 goals. He provides the same service every week, it is up to the midfield to utilize his talent. If our midfield is unable to provide good delivery then yes, he should be dropped, but in a true shootout he is still a very damaging player.
If Gehrig played for Geelong today he would have kicked 8 goals. He provides the same service every week, it is up to the midfield to utilize his talent. If our midfield is unable to provide good delivery then yes, he should be dropped, but in a true shootout he is still a very damaging player.
- groupie1
- Club Player
- Posts: 1271
- Joined: Sun 18 Jun 2006 4:21am
- Has thanked: 16 times
- Been thanked: 52 times
you blokes are rough
He takes the best or second best defender away. He still kicks 2 goals, could easily have been 4-5 if Scarlett wasn't alllowed to cheat. is a true kick for goal.
This nonsense about G being past it is rubbish - he has the potential to go on another 3-4 years ala A Lynch - not the most important player in the forward set-up, but someone requiring a good opponent. And remember, by forcing the opposition to play 3 tall defenders, we potentially reduce their speed and run out of defense (not all bif backmen are as quick as scarlett). I think Fraser's copped a lot, and I think it's unwaranted. Roo and Kozi are more damamging with G around, just as G and Roo were with A Hamill in the team.
Possibly though, CJ standing at his feet instead of Milne would help increase defense pressure in our offense
This nonsense about G being past it is rubbish - he has the potential to go on another 3-4 years ala A Lynch - not the most important player in the forward set-up, but someone requiring a good opponent. And remember, by forcing the opposition to play 3 tall defenders, we potentially reduce their speed and run out of defense (not all bif backmen are as quick as scarlett). I think Fraser's copped a lot, and I think it's unwaranted. Roo and Kozi are more damamging with G around, just as G and Roo were with A Hamill in the team.
Possibly though, CJ standing at his feet instead of Milne would help increase defense pressure in our offense
Gordon Fode couldda been Plugga
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5016
- Joined: Sun 14 Mar 2004 10:42am
- Location: Bayside
- Has thanked: 9 times
- Been thanked: 91 times
No good kicking two goals if your opponent sets up 10 for the opposition.
He is struggling big time, and hurting our set up at the same time.
He can't apply forward line pressure, can't lay a tackle and offers not much more than a statue or withces hat when they have the ball.
Was a favourite of mine, but he should of stayed retired.
He is struggling big time, and hurting our set up at the same time.
He can't apply forward line pressure, can't lay a tackle and offers not much more than a statue or withces hat when they have the ball.
Was a favourite of mine, but he should of stayed retired.
- groupie1
- Club Player
- Posts: 1271
- Joined: Sun 18 Jun 2006 4:21am
- Has thanked: 16 times
- Been thanked: 52 times
alastair lynch model, dude.
so... he takes a defender out, he reduces opposition backline speed at selection, he kicks a couple, and sure, he is defensively weak (due to his lack of pace) - where's Milne to do that defensive work?
G is being blamed for a lot more than he's responsible for. Good player, great player, big heart, deserves a place
so... he takes a defender out, he reduces opposition backline speed at selection, he kicks a couple, and sure, he is defensively weak (due to his lack of pace) - where's Milne to do that defensive work?
G is being blamed for a lot more than he's responsible for. Good player, great player, big heart, deserves a place
Gordon Fode couldda been Plugga
- mad saint guy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7064
- Joined: Tue 26 Jul 2005 9:44pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 52 times
- Been thanked: 355 times
Lynch was playing when full backs were the tall guys who couldn't kick. It was rare for one to get more than 10 touches in a game. These days most full backs will kill you on the rebound if allowed to run loose.groupie1 wrote:alastair lynch model, dude.
so... he takes a defender out, he reduces opposition backline speed at selection, he kicks a couple, and sure, he is defensively weak (due to his lack of pace)
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: you blokes are rough
Pretty sure you don't have to be quick if you are not being chased.groupie1 wrote:we potentially reduce their speed and run out of defense (not all bif backmen are as quick as scarlett)...
My feelings are that Lyon will try a different set up over the next two weeks and if that does not work or motivate the big G into greater efforts and returns then it may very well be time for a mutually agreed upon 2nd retirement.
& no it's not all Fraser's fault, the delivery is poor, especially the speed of delivery but that is still no excuse to put your bum in the corner and allow your direct opponent to be so influential
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon 07 Aug 2006 9:50pm
- Location: Queensland - Beautiful one day ... you know the rest
- Has thanked: 65 times
- Been thanked: 318 times
I dont care if Gehrig gets pushed out to the goal square in a wheelchair.
The oppositon needs to find three big talls to cover us.
And Gehrigs' worth can be summed up in one easy question.
As in the cats game, who in our side do you want to have the ball on the 50mt after the siren for the last kick to win the game?
Kosi, Roo, any of our onballers?
Gehrig is the best kick at the club fullstop.
The oppositon needs to find three big talls to cover us.
And Gehrigs' worth can be summed up in one easy question.
As in the cats game, who in our side do you want to have the ball on the 50mt after the siren for the last kick to win the game?
Kosi, Roo, any of our onballers?
Gehrig is the best kick at the club fullstop.
Seeya
*************
*************
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
This is not American Football Sunsaint, unfortunately we don't get to pick who takes that kick, the player himself is the one who has to get the ball and G can't get it at the moment, well not against the good defenders.sunsaint wrote:I dont care if Gehrig gets pushed out to the goal square in a wheelchair.
The oppositon needs to find three big talls to cover us.
And Gehrigs' worth can be summed up in one easy question.
As in the cats game, who in our side do you want to have the ball on the 50mt after the siren for the last kick to win the game?
Kosi, Roo, any of our onballers?
Gehrig is the best kick at the club fullstop.
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13782
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1313 times
- Been thanked: 2051 times
- Saintschampions08
- Club Player
- Posts: 732
- Joined: Thu 31 Jan 2008 11:04am
Maybe if he hadn't been on Gehrig, he wouldn't have had more disposals then most of our mids. Maybe he wouldn't have set up just about every counter attack Geelong had.Enrico_Misso wrote:What about the mark G took in the 3rd quarter that wasn't paid![]()
![]()
And don't forget if Gehrig wasn't out there than Scarlett would have played on Kosi or Roo.
Something important i realised, was that in both the first, second and third quarters...the only time we really kicked goals, was when Gehrig was off the ground.
He is no longer good enough for AFL. He doesn't run, he doesn't pressure, he doesn't tackle, he doesn't lead, he can't take a contested mark to save himself...he is no longer even good enough to say 'at least he took their best defender', because when he does the defender ends up being dominant.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1941
- Joined: Sat 24 Apr 2004 10:24pm
- Location: Perth WA
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 19 times
Not sure I agree. When Steve Johnson was quizzed about Geelong's midfield on the Sunday footy show, he said that the ball sailed over his and Mooney's head many times. Would Gehrig really get more opportunity?mad saint guy wrote:
If Gehrig played for Geelong today he would have kicked 8 goals. He provides the same service every week, it is up to the midfield to utilize his talent. If our midfield is unable to provide good delivery then yes, he should be dropped, but in a true shootout he is still a very damaging player.
Midfield clearances and clear winners are needed to make an effective forward line.
You need to protect the ball handler to increase posession efficiency
You need to protect the ball handler to increase posession efficiency