Reality - no opinions allowed.

[Otiman]

This thread is for posts about reality, not make believe fiction, nor opinionated paragraphs.


- We have played 3 of the top 4 teams in the first 4 weeks and are sitting at 2-2.

- We will be out of the 8 after this round is complete, unless Richmond beat Fremantle by less than a goal.

Anyone have anything to add?

Edit: Egg on my face, I had Port in for a win there. Comeback by brisbane put us 9th, we can drop as low as 10th.

[The_Dud]

the results have been irrelevant, the way we've played over the passed 4 weeks had hardly set the world on fire

plus we have no more excuses, Lyons been there long enough and we have hardly any injuries

i would like to see us start playing better very soon

[iwantmeseats]

that we CAN agree o Dud. Time to put up or ......

[Enrico_Misso]

Agree it is not the end of the world.
As we go on to play lesser ranked teams we should establish a place in the 8.

But I think we were expecting something a bit better than that.

The early experience is that we are a long way off being a top 2 side.
And unless you are a top 2 side you are only an outside chance to win a flag.

[iwantmeseats]

So we beat the s*** sides Enrico? Yeah well and good, but what the hell is the point. We wouldnt be playing em in finals!

[SainterX]

Reality. That's simple. In 2003 we started playing a younger team in order to make our way up the ladder, and in 04-06 we made the finals and threatened in 04 and 05.
Now, only 5 years later we are being told to restart and bring in the young kids all over again and rebuild.
Go figure.

[kaos theory]

As I said many time before:

Over the last 4 to 5 years we have failed & neglected these key areas:

recuiting - We require more resources and strucutred approach to recruit players that best suit where the game is heading...

Player development - We require more structured approach to develop players on the list to their fullest potential. Any weaknesses need to be worked diligently (collingwood leads the way here...). Getting the best out of the players you have on the list is key, and you need resources to have the right programs

Injury Management - requires well researched structured program, utilizing the most modern appraches

(Since the board change-over we are FINALLY addressing these waekneses, BUT it will take time before we get it right.)

Coaching Changes - It takes time for the new styles and approaches to bed in. IMO we had a fair bit of upheval in the caoching dept last yr. We have a slightly better coaching approach now, just need to see how it gels through the year and into next yr.

I expect us to still make the finals, we will get better through the yr, but that facts are above....so I don't expect miracles...

[iwantmeseats]

All good points. Not sure about the "coaching approach" . Give that more time to bed in" even ore than it is and we will have no members left. Has to change!

[fingers]

Fact - we are nowhere near our best.....hold the faith.

[st.byron]

Fact - we are nowhere near our best.....hold the faith.

Fact - we have been waiting for "our best" since the Prelim loss to Port at AAMI. It's not looking any closer to me. Very ordinary performance.

[mad saint guy]

Reality - We're playing crap footy, we have a full list to choose from and have played every game at our home ground. Without any doubt we are a level below Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs.

[st.byron]

Reality - We're playing crap footy, we have a full list to choose from and have played every game at our home ground. Without any doubt we are a level below Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs.

Agree 100%

[Otiman]

So we beat the s*** sides Enrico? Yeah well and good, but what the hell is the point. We wouldnt be playing em in finals!

Fact - No finals are played in April.

[st.byron]

So we beat the s*** sides Enrico? Yeah well and good, but what the hell is the point. We wouldnt be playing em in finals!

Fact - No finals are played in April.

Fact - you have to win games from April - August, against good sides, to play in finals in September.

[Otiman]

Reality - We're playing crap footy, we have a full list to choose from and have played every game at our home ground. Without any doubt we are a level below Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs.

I've bolded the points in your statement that are either opinion or false.

Would you also say we are a level below Sydney, who sit 3rd on the ladder (and above Hawthorn)? Who we did in fact beat in round 1.

[mad saint guy]

Reality - We're playing crap footy, we have a full list to choose from and have played every game at our home ground. Without any doubt we are a level below Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs.

I've bolded the points in your statement that are either opinion or false.

How can good or bad footy be proven as fact? We had 2 players missing from our best team, which is as close to a full list as any AFL club will ever get (yes I know, opinion not fact) and every statistical piece of evidence would point towards us being far behind those four teams.

I think only accepting things that can be proven as fact is a way of hiding from reality. We ARE playing crap footy, injuries are no excuse and we have a very kind fixture. The only reason why we could possibly be losing is because we're not as good as our opposition.

[ace]

[quote="kaos theory"]Coaching Changes - It takes time for the new styles and approaches to bed in. IMO we had a fair bit of upheval in the caoching dept last yr. We have a slightly better coaching approach now, just need to see how it gels through the year and into next yr.
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Agreed it takes time for new styles and approaches to be bed in.
That is why this obsolete Sydney/small ground style and approach needs to go.
A new approach must begin now before this set of players' window of opportunity closes.
Where do you find a coach who is ahead of the game and not just copying what his former master taught him?

[Otiman]

So we beat the s*** sides Enrico? Yeah well and good, but what the hell is the point. We wouldnt be playing em in finals!

Fact - No finals are played in April.

Fact - you have to win games from April - August, against good sides, to play in finals in September.

In 3 out of 4 weeks, we have played top 4 sides.

We play Hawthorn and Geelong once, and the Bulldogs and Sydney twice. That's only another 3 games for the rest of the year against the current top 4 sides.

We know now how we measure up to them, which is badly. We also know that our strategies and effort aren't up to scratch (according to Ross Lyon over the past few weeks). If we had have been 4-0, after playing Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and Richmond, then people would be talking us up still.

[st.byron]

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If we had have been 4-0, after playing Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and Richmond, then people would be talking us up still.

Poor argument IMO. Ignores the fact that we have been less than convincing in the games we've won and spineless in our losses.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

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If we had have been 4-0, after playing Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and Richmond, then people would be talking us up still.

Poor argument IMO. Ignores the fact that we have been less than convincing in the games we've won and spineless in our losses.

it is a fair comment had we played Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and Richmond in the first 4 and we were 4-0 playing this way most on here would agree we were set for a flag tilt

lets get some perspective we beat sydney currently sitting 4th we beat carltoon that honestly the narre warren under 12's could beat and lost to teams second and first repectivly on the ladder

Freo have lost to a mid table Collingwood a flyin 3rd placed Hawks then beat a struggleing West cost we will see what happens with richmond later

West coast have beat a up and down Brissy ,lost to a fireing Ald , lost to a struggleing freo and smashed by the 4th placed swans

so things could be worst

[Buckets]

Coaching Changes - It takes time for the new styles and approaches to bed in. IMO we had a fair bit of upheval in the caoching dept last yr. We have a slightly better coaching approach now, just need to see how it gels through the year and into next yr.

I expect us to still make the finals, we will get better through the yr, but that facts are above....so I don't expect miracles...

We have had a year already to get use to Lyon's way of coaching fact is that we are not capable of playing it for 4 quarters and i really doubt at this moment that we ever will be able to.

[Solar]

we play a injury hit and young essendon next week at the dome, port after a trip to subi (currently 0-4 and can't remember how to win) and then richmond.

At worse we could be 4-3, I can think of worse!

[Spinner]

This thread is for posts about reality, not make believe fiction, nor opinionated paragraphs.


- We have played 3 of the top 4 teams in the first 4 weeks and are sitting at 2-2.

- We will be out of the 8 after this round is complete, unless Richmond beat Fremantle by less than a goal.

Anyone have anything to add?

Edit: Egg on my face, I had Port in for a win there. Comeback by brisbane put us 9th, we can drop as low as 10th.

IMO We have not played 3 of the top 4 teams.....

Geelong, Port Adelaide, Sydney, Hawthorn are the Top 4.

With the Western Bulldogs, Adelaide and Collingwood slightly below us.

[Solar]

other realities

next week our team will play

we didn't move a game from the GC and only draw 22k (thus losing lots of money)

we don't have a thug called hall playing for us

We have not lost 15 in a row like carlton are about to (well not for a very long time)

a bottle of wine and chocolate .... plus watching the boxing on channel 10 can almost cheer someone up

[st_Trav_ofWA]

This thread is for posts about reality, not make believe fiction, nor opinionated paragraphs.


- We have played 3 of the top 4 teams in the first 4 weeks and are sitting at 2-2.

- We will be out of the 8 after this round is complete, unless Richmond beat Fremantle by less than a goal.

Anyone have anything to add?

Edit: Egg on my face, I had Port in for a win there. Comeback by brisbane put us 9th, we can drop as low as 10th.

IMO We have not played 3 of the top 4 teams.....

Geelong, Port Adelaide, Sydney, Hawthorn are the Top 4.

With the Western Bulldogs, Adelaide and Collingwood slightly below us.

dude serioulsy do you not know what "no opinions allowed" means ?