No I dont think he was given a role to shut down Hill but when you play on the wing you have an opponent. That is why he should play in the middle and up forward. In the middle you really dont have anyone to look after and up forward he will have someone worrying about him. I actually think he gets alot of hardball as proven by stats which say he has the highest contested ball of any midfielder since the start of last year.Solar wrote:You serious that you believe he was given a role to shut down a FIRST YEAR player (ok he did play one game last year but even he said that was lucky). This is suposedly a front line midfielder?plugger66 wrote:I think he was poor on Friday expecailly minding Hill who basically helped set up the Victory. But I do think he is trying and I think he puts in every week. It may be his running style that gives the impression he isnt flat out. He should never be given a role where is asked to mind someone. That is not his go but the problem with that is RL demands that we play like that and to me that doesnt suit Dal, Harvs or Joey as they dont have a defensive game.
The problem was not that Hill got alot of the ball, but the fact that dal went in half hearted into wa too many contests. He refuses to cop the tackle, even if it opens up a chance for a team mate. IMO he is at the crossroads and dropping him for a more solid midfielder (CJ, armo and birss all had good NAB cups) could be what both the player and the team needs.
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The Crows had to put Andrew McLeod on that first year player to shut him down. It's disingenuous to suggest he's your normal run-of-the-mill rookie. In any case, Hill and Dal didn't see a lot of each other. Hill dropped back to play as a link man between the 50s. Dal didn't follow him. It ended up as a win for the Bulldogs as Hill did a great job running and carrying and Dal wasn't very damaging out of defence. I still don't understand why he was there in the first place.Solar wrote:You serious that you believe he was given a role to shut down a FIRST YEAR player (ok he did play one game last year but even he said that was lucky). This is suposedly a front line midfielder?
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Things are fine now again. I am certain he will have a great week this week and many more after this one. Go Dal!ralphysaints35 wrote:wouldnt be suprised if we see him come out after a week or so after it happened, wouldnt be suprised if we see him play a great game.
breaking up with agirlfriend knocks you around alot, dont drop him cause of a few games down on form
What crap about his girlfriend... If that is the reason he pulled out such a shocker, then goodnight to this 'potential' star... Its time for him to grab the bull by the horns...
Otherwise we'll have no reason to bag Carlton as we'll have our own Nick Stevens on our hands... Im seriously worried about this possibility..
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I am pretty sure that was not the reason and I am certain Dal wouldn't use it as an excuse, so Sobraz no need to worry.Sobraz wrote:What crap about his girlfriend... If that is the reason he pulled out such a shocker, then goodnight to this 'potential' star... Its time for him to grab the bull by the horns...
Otherwise we'll have no reason to bag Carlton as we'll have our own Nick Stevens on our hands... Im seriously worried about this possibility..
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I don't think you can blame Dal for the effort on Friday night
I watched the replay this morning, overall work rate from the entire midfield was shocking after the first quarter and this resulted in poor delivery to the forwards, bad transition from the backline and defenders being caught out of position on the rebound.
Your team won ~6 in a row if you include the preseason comp, it's hard enough to win 3 in a row at any time of the season so when you come up against a team with a much higher work rate and with momentum it can be hard to stop.
Your game plan is fine, you have the players to beat any team in the comp but it will depend on work rate week to week and some small tweaks in player positions (mostly Kozi and Dal) in order to get maximum value out of them more often.
Dal is one of the most creative teflon coated outside players in the league, if your inside guys aren't getting the job done to create space or apply pressure to the opposition then he or the other outside players can't do there job (finishing) and will naturally look worse t.
Just be grateful you actually have some players who can break the lines or kick to a forward on occasion - West Coast haven't lost a game in the clearances so far this year but they can't kick to a forward for s*** !
I watched the replay this morning, overall work rate from the entire midfield was shocking after the first quarter and this resulted in poor delivery to the forwards, bad transition from the backline and defenders being caught out of position on the rebound.
Your team won ~6 in a row if you include the preseason comp, it's hard enough to win 3 in a row at any time of the season so when you come up against a team with a much higher work rate and with momentum it can be hard to stop.
Your game plan is fine, you have the players to beat any team in the comp but it will depend on work rate week to week and some small tweaks in player positions (mostly Kozi and Dal) in order to get maximum value out of them more often.
Dal is one of the most creative teflon coated outside players in the league, if your inside guys aren't getting the job done to create space or apply pressure to the opposition then he or the other outside players can't do there job (finishing) and will naturally look worse t.
Just be grateful you actually have some players who can break the lines or kick to a forward on occasion - West Coast haven't lost a game in the clearances so far this year but they can't kick to a forward for s*** !
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But LB, people are complaining on this thread about how "Dal" needs to go in a get the hardball but they can't seem to understand that you need players around the outside of a pack to receive the ball.Lynch Beast wrote: if your inside guys aren't getting the job done to create space or apply pressure to the opposition then he or the other outside players can't do there job (finishing) and will naturally look worse t.
I did meation this pages ago on this thread but no one seems to listen.
But In all honestly Dal played the worse game I have ever seen him playe and I have even heard people talking about it on SEN this afternoon. The soapbox was full of callers about Dal.
Yeah it broke my heart to hear it but hopefully the weeks shake up with shake some life back into one of the most silkest players in the league.
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So he's back with his girlfriend? You have just broken the hearts of many of the girls I teach!Behind Play wrote:Things are fine now again. I am certain he will have a great week this week and many more after this one. Go Dal!ralphysaints35 wrote:wouldnt be suprised if we see him come out after a week or so after it happened, wouldnt be suprised if we see him play a great game.
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NDS girl, no one is blaming him for not being an in and under player we have heaps of grunts in the side. NDS IS an out side receiver, and if you go back to previous pages you will read that.Dal_Santos_Gal wrote: But LB, people are complaining on this thread about how "Dal" needs to go in a get the hardball but they can't seem to understand that you need players around the outside of a pack to receive the ball.
I did meation this pages ago on this thread but no one seems to listen.
What is frustrating supporters, is that he has NEVER come close to the hype that has been heaped on him. He is lazy, & while he gets lots of cheap possessions he does not damage sides either in defense or on the scoreboard. Clearly he is skilful there is no doubt, but he needs to lift to a whole new level.
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He had one bad game, give the kid a go. Watch him this weeksunsaint wrote:NDS girl, no one is blaming him for not being an in and under player we have heaps of grunts in the side. NDS IS an out side receiver, and if you go back and to previous pages you will get read that.Dal_Santos_Gal wrote: But LB, people are complaining on this thread about how "Dal" needs to go in a get the hardball but they can't seem to understand that you need players around the outside of a pack to receive the ball.
I did meation this pages ago on this thread but no one seems to listen.
What is frustrating supporters, is that he has NEVER come close to the hype that has been heaped on him. He is lazy, & while he gets lots of cheap possessions he does not damage sides either in defense or on the scoreboard. Clearly he is skilful there is no doubt, but he needs to lift to a whole new level.
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Dal is one of those players that always looks like he is doing it easy, which is great when he's in form but looks terrible if he has an off night like he did last week (along with most of our team).
Start him in the centre square this week and he'll tear them up
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Start him in the centre square this week and he'll tear them up
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So are you on staff at the HS??????...and was the blog your idea or your editors?????Miss Saints wrote:Dal is one of those players that always looks like he is doing it easy, which is great when he's in form but looks terrible if he has an off night like he did last week (along with most of our team).
Start him in the centre square this week and he'll tear them up
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Whip those pussies dally
Who's more damaging Gary Ablett; Jimmy Bartel or Dally?
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Who's more damaging Gary Ablett; Jimmy Bartel or Dally?
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The boy can play and we can build a defence around him that will have respect.
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Who's more damaging Gary Ablett; Jimmy Bartel or Dally?Megamaguire wrote:Whip those pussies dally
Who's more damaging Gary Ablett; Jimmy Bartel or Dally?
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bartell....at the moment i would think him
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1. BartelMegamaguire wrote:Whip those pussies dally
Who's more damaging Gary Ablett; Jimmy Bartel or Dally?
Go For it Nick!
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2. Ablett
3. Dally
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that may have been Ox leading the discussion to create his articleDal_Santos_Gal wrote:
But In all honestly Dal played the worse game I have ever seen him playe and I have even heard people talking about it on SEN this afternoon. The soapbox was full of callers about Dal.
Yeah it broke my heart to hear it but hopefully the weeks shake up with shake some life back into one of the most silkest players in the league.
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Nick Dal Santo is an elite midfielder, yet like so many before him he often becomes complacent, racking up a huge number of possessions rather than doing the hard work that has got him to this position. When he gets the ball and has time and space there are very few that can match his disposal and decision-making going forward. The trouble is most sides know this and he is now given more attention, played tighter and is often shut down from getting that outside possession. Dal Santo has to get that hard-working run back into his game, the style that can break tags. He must push himself until close to exhaustion and then use the interchange to let him recharge his batteries, return and have an impact. He is the icing on the cake for St Kilda with Robert Harvey, Lenny Hayes and Leigh Montagna alongside him in the midfield. It’s not easy when you are one of the stars, but the biggest pitfall for players down on form is to be selfish. To go kick chasing and play for possessions only brings the team structure undone. Dal Santo is experienced enough to realise this and don’t be surprised if it comes out on the weekend and has one of his best games against Geelong.
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