St Kilda Vs Western Bulldogs - Pre-Match Discussion
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St Kilda Vs Western Bulldogs - Pre-Match Discussion
Early Week Teams:
ST KILDA
B: Geary (183), Hudghton (191), Gilbert (194)
HB: Gram (186), S.Fisher (192), X.Clarke (182)
C: Blake (191), Hayes (186), Montagna (178)
HF: Harvey (181), Riewoldt (193), Schneider (179)
F: Milne (178), Koschitzke (197), Gehrig (195)
FOLL: King (201), Dal Santo (186), Ball (184)
I/C: M.Gardiner (199), L.Fisher (188), Fiora (186), Goddard (191)
EMG: C.Gardiner (190), Jones (183), R.Clarke (189)
IN: Goddard
OUT: R.Clarke
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Gilbee (180), Lake (195), Morris (190)
HB: Griffen (188), Wight (200), Hargrave (190)
C: Eagleton (180), West (178), Cross (187)
HF: Murphy (186), Hahn (188), Johnson (182)
F: Akermanis (177), Minson (199), Welsh (188)
FOLL: Hudson (199), Boyd (184), Cooney (186)
I/C: Hill (186), Callan (181), Giansiracusa (182), Addison (186)
EMG: Harbrow (178), Tiller (191), Street (211)
IN: Eagleton
OUT: Higgins (Inj)
Notes: Very very difficult decision coming up for selection committee. Goddard looks fairly certain to be played, after resting for the 2nd half of the Casey game. Jones also rested, pehaps as a precaution.
The candidates for omission are Geary, Gilbert, R.Clarke, King, Fiora and L.Fisher. I think Geary, Fiora, L.Fisher and King have all played well enough to retain their spots. That leaves Gilbert and Raph. Eventually i decided that Ross will want to stick with Gilbert, as he appears to be moulding him into a more defensive role - once he becomes comfortable with that we will hopefully see him begining to rebound regularly out of defence once again. Gilbert played the entire game against Carlton, Raph 80%. Very hard decision to make.
Bulldogs will have to lose Higgins to an ankle(?) injury and will probably regain Eagleton if he is fit. If not Harbrow would be next in line.
Tough week for the selection guys at St Kilda and also for the fringe players at training. A very good problem to be having mind you.
ST KILDA
B: Geary (183), Hudghton (191), Gilbert (194)
HB: Gram (186), S.Fisher (192), X.Clarke (182)
C: Blake (191), Hayes (186), Montagna (178)
HF: Harvey (181), Riewoldt (193), Schneider (179)
F: Milne (178), Koschitzke (197), Gehrig (195)
FOLL: King (201), Dal Santo (186), Ball (184)
I/C: M.Gardiner (199), L.Fisher (188), Fiora (186), Goddard (191)
EMG: C.Gardiner (190), Jones (183), R.Clarke (189)
IN: Goddard
OUT: R.Clarke
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Gilbee (180), Lake (195), Morris (190)
HB: Griffen (188), Wight (200), Hargrave (190)
C: Eagleton (180), West (178), Cross (187)
HF: Murphy (186), Hahn (188), Johnson (182)
F: Akermanis (177), Minson (199), Welsh (188)
FOLL: Hudson (199), Boyd (184), Cooney (186)
I/C: Hill (186), Callan (181), Giansiracusa (182), Addison (186)
EMG: Harbrow (178), Tiller (191), Street (211)
IN: Eagleton
OUT: Higgins (Inj)
Notes: Very very difficult decision coming up for selection committee. Goddard looks fairly certain to be played, after resting for the 2nd half of the Casey game. Jones also rested, pehaps as a precaution.
The candidates for omission are Geary, Gilbert, R.Clarke, King, Fiora and L.Fisher. I think Geary, Fiora, L.Fisher and King have all played well enough to retain their spots. That leaves Gilbert and Raph. Eventually i decided that Ross will want to stick with Gilbert, as he appears to be moulding him into a more defensive role - once he becomes comfortable with that we will hopefully see him begining to rebound regularly out of defence once again. Gilbert played the entire game against Carlton, Raph 80%. Very hard decision to make.
Bulldogs will have to lose Higgins to an ankle(?) injury and will probably regain Eagleton if he is fit. If not Harbrow would be next in line.
Tough week for the selection guys at St Kilda and also for the fringe players at training. A very good problem to be having mind you.
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Yes, i like that team. I would love to see geary retain his spot i think at times he showed he was calm under pressure which is great!
I hope the boys are up for the game this week and get off to a better start. Probably carlton caught them flat-footed and a bit tentitive in 1st Q.
I hope the boys are up for the game this week and get off to a better start. Probably carlton caught them flat-footed and a bit tentitive in 1st Q.
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wasnt aware of that curly - heard it was just soreness and bruising
I know that Raph is a favourite of Ross', but then so was Clinton Jones. I doubt that Fiora will be dropped against a pacey side like the Bulldogs. With the already tall team that we are playing we need the quicks such as Fiora (and Jones possibly).CURLY wrote:Raph wont get dropped id say Fiora for BJ.
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... Eade agreed his team is reasonably well-placed for next Friday night's assignment against St Kilda considering it will be coming off successive six-day breaks.CURLY wrote:Eagletons injury happened against the Crows. Larkin spoke about it Sunday morning.
Forward Shaun Higgins is set to miss the next two matches with a sprained ankle but the Dogs are likely to have veteran midfielder Nathan Eagleton, a late withdrawal against Melbourne with an ankle problem, available for the Saints clash.
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really?SaintBot wrote:Avg HeightDan Warna wrote:I see it as our strength and height versus their speed.
St Kilda - Just over 188
W.Bulldogs - Just under 187
I felt that our team is very tall, maybe its because im short 175cmish guy
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For the record, Eagleton was originally thought to have had a broken leg, however after further examination it was just severe bruising.
He is probably about a 60% chance to play this week.
Bulldogs are a far different side to the team that we seem to love to beat by 50 points. They now have a solid ruckman and a mobile forward line.
I still believe that our forwardline will beat their backline and ours backline can break even so if we can gain control in the midfield we should win this one.
Hudghton should get first go on Johnson after his last two weeks form. S.Fisher to go on Welsh. Gilbert on Murphy. Geary on Hill. Blake on Akermanis.
The midfield contest should be a good one, I would like to see L.Fisher get the job on Cooney but I would like to se the rest of the matchups as a one on one contest because I believe our midfield to have too much class.
Our tall forwards should be able to do a number on their backline, it will all come down to communication, this is what held us back last week and I'm sure RL will have this as his number 1 priority this week. I just hope that Lake plays on Gehrig, he can continue his campaign for the coleman
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He is probably about a 60% chance to play this week.
Bulldogs are a far different side to the team that we seem to love to beat by 50 points. They now have a solid ruckman and a mobile forward line.
I still believe that our forwardline will beat their backline and ours backline can break even so if we can gain control in the midfield we should win this one.
Hudghton should get first go on Johnson after his last two weeks form. S.Fisher to go on Welsh. Gilbert on Murphy. Geary on Hill. Blake on Akermanis.
The midfield contest should be a good one, I would like to see L.Fisher get the job on Cooney but I would like to se the rest of the matchups as a one on one contest because I believe our midfield to have too much class.
Our tall forwards should be able to do a number on their backline, it will all come down to communication, this is what held us back last week and I'm sure RL will have this as his number 1 priority this week. I just hope that Lake plays on Gehrig, he can continue his campaign for the coleman
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to be honest - those stats are really quite uselessDan Warna wrote:really?SaintBot wrote:Avg HeightDan Warna wrote:I see it as our strength and height versus their speed.
St Kilda - Just over 188
W.Bulldogs - Just under 187
I felt that our team is very tall, maybe its because im short 175cmish guy
to get a better idea of the height difference between the teams would be to break the players into groups of "players who play tall", "players who can play tall" or "players who play medium", "players who play small" etc and for the point of pace vs height we would have to classify "endurance/pace/etc"
for example the bulldogs have Murphy (186cm) and Welsh (188cm) who both really play as key forwards
on paper, we really should win this game - shut down 2 of Johnson, West, Cooney, Cross and our job is half done
Midfielders and % of Gametime vs CarltonOtiman wrote:IMO Raph is ahead of Gilbert at the moment. Neither are being played to their strengths though. I'd expect a mid to go out for Goddard, most likely fiora due to him having low game time (and Goddard to be given low game time for the next few weeks also)
Montagna - 81%
Hayes - 84%
Ball - 74%
X.Clarke - 71%
Dal Santo - 87%
Fiora - 83%
Harvey - 74%
L.Fisher - 80%
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Gram - 100%
Schneider - 86%
Geary - 90%
Blake - 84%
Then look at fringe players:
Gilbert - 100%
R.Clarke - 80%
King - 48% (M.Gardiner - 61%)
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In: Goddard
Out: Blake
Blake plays as a utility, link man and floating HB. Goddard can play this role much better. More skill, fantasic long kick, better vision and far better decsion-making, similar pace, with slightly more endurance to blake.
If we dump Raph or Gibert, we lose out on pace, and that would mean slowish defence on paper, compared to the mid-sized nimble dogs.
We are well suited to corraling the dogs. We can bottle up their run, force them to kick to contests where we have the aerial strength to get the ball and take it forward through our quick movement through the corridor. We have too many guns up forward and a slightly better midfield.
Our real worry is our kicking for goal and disposals at times. We need to sharpen up our skills here, especially for the cats the following week.
Expect a 25+ point win...
Out: Blake
Blake plays as a utility, link man and floating HB. Goddard can play this role much better. More skill, fantasic long kick, better vision and far better decsion-making, similar pace, with slightly more endurance to blake.
If we dump Raph or Gibert, we lose out on pace, and that would mean slowish defence on paper, compared to the mid-sized nimble dogs.
We are well suited to corraling the dogs. We can bottle up their run, force them to kick to contests where we have the aerial strength to get the ball and take it forward through our quick movement through the corridor. We have too many guns up forward and a slightly better midfield.
Our real worry is our kicking for goal and disposals at times. We need to sharpen up our skills here, especially for the cats the following week.
Expect a 25+ point win...
B: Geary (183)/Akermanis (177) - Hudghton (191)/Johnson (182) - S.Fisher (192)/Welsh (188)
HB: Gram (186)/Hill (186) - Blake (191)/Hahn (188) - R.Clarke (188)/Murphy (186)
C: Dal Santo (186)/Boyd (184) - Hayes (186)/Cross (187) - X.Clarke (182)/Eagleton (180)
HF: Harvey (181)/Griffen (188) - Riewoldt (193)/Hargrave (190) - Schneider (179)/Gilbee (180)
F: Milne (178)/Morris (190) - Koschitzke (197)/Wight (200) - Gehrig (195)/Lake (195)
FOLL: King (201)/Hudson (199) - L.Fisher (188)/Cooney (186) - Montagna (178)/West (178)
I/C: M.Gardiner (199), Fiora (186), Goddard (191), Ball (184)
I/C: Callan (181), Giansiracusa (182), Addison (186), Street (211)
EMG: C.Gardiner (190), Jones (183), S.Gilbert (194)
IN: Goddard
OUT: Gilbert (194)
IN: Street, Eagleton
OUT: Minson, Higgins
HB: Gram (186)/Hill (186) - Blake (191)/Hahn (188) - R.Clarke (188)/Murphy (186)
C: Dal Santo (186)/Boyd (184) - Hayes (186)/Cross (187) - X.Clarke (182)/Eagleton (180)
HF: Harvey (181)/Griffen (188) - Riewoldt (193)/Hargrave (190) - Schneider (179)/Gilbee (180)
F: Milne (178)/Morris (190) - Koschitzke (197)/Wight (200) - Gehrig (195)/Lake (195)
FOLL: King (201)/Hudson (199) - L.Fisher (188)/Cooney (186) - Montagna (178)/West (178)
I/C: M.Gardiner (199), Fiora (186), Goddard (191), Ball (184)
I/C: Callan (181), Giansiracusa (182), Addison (186), Street (211)
EMG: C.Gardiner (190), Jones (183), S.Gilbert (194)
IN: Goddard
OUT: Gilbert (194)
IN: Street, Eagleton
OUT: Minson, Higgins
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That is the most obvious change for mine. If it comes down to a choice between Gilbert and Raph then i hope Gilbo keeps his spot. Both have had fairly ordinary starts to the year, but i see more upside with Gilbert. Gilbert needs to be played HBF/WING with occasional bursts in through our midfield rotation for us to get the best out of him. His main attributes are his pace, ability to break lines, and his tackling skills, and we are not getting the most out of him from the back pocket. Unfortunately he looks to be lacking in confidence at the minute, probably due to him getting touched up while playing as a key backman (which he is not) in the pre season.IN: Goddard
OUT: R.Clarke