What actually happened after quarter time?

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Re: Sydney tactics

Post: # 537064Post bigcarl »

Miss Saints wrote: on one occasion Riewoldt had possession on the flank and if you looked into the forward 50 there were about four Swans and Kosi.
where was the rest of our forward line? let me guess. numbers behind the ball.

i'd prefer a set up where gehrig, milne and schneider or someone else were also providing an option to take some heat off kosi.


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Re: Sydney tactics

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Miss Saints wrote:It's way too simple to say we want the ball pumped in to a contest instead of chipping around to loose men outside 50. You don't see it watching on TV, but at the Dome on Saturday night on one occasion Riewoldt had possession on the flank and if you looked into the forward 50 there were about four Swans and Kosi - he is a great contested mark, but all it takes is for Richards to block his run, Barry takes an easy mark, handballs to Mattner and they are off - and we are all shaking our heads. The pumping it long theory only works if you get the ball down there quick, which is what we were doing in the first 15 minutes (it helps if we win the ball straight out of the centre). Gram having a bad night really hurt us because he takes the opposition on every time. IMO Sydney clamped down to avoid getting blown out of the water and we weren't brave enough to keep attacking.
Good point about them tackling each other to force ball-ups too. And the most boundary throw-ins I've seen in a match. I wish there was something the AFL could do about that.
And re: Charlie Gardiner, the tall forward line won't be a problem with Fraser because Charlie won't be down there. His role is a lead-up half-forward who starts around the 50 and leads to the wing so Rooey isn't our only go-to man up there. This is now one of the most important positions in footy.
That's a valid point, but that's where we have to be smarter in playing guys up the field instead of in defence. Multiple opposition defenders standing on Kosi will not stay there if other forwards inside the 50 start leading up the ground to drag them away.


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Re: Sydney tactics

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ctqs wrote:
Miss Saints wrote:It's way too simple to say we want the ball pumped in to a contest instead of chipping around to loose men outside 50. You don't see it watching on TV, but at the Dome on Saturday night on one occasion Riewoldt had possession on the flank and if you looked into the forward 50 there were about four Swans and Kosi - he is a great contested mark, but all it takes is for Richards to block his run, Barry takes an easy mark, handballs to Mattner and they are off - and we are all shaking our heads. The pumping it long theory only works if you get the ball down there quick, which is what we were doing in the first 15 minutes (it helps if we win the ball straight out of the centre). Gram having a bad night really hurt us because he takes the opposition on every time. IMO Sydney clamped down to avoid getting blown out of the water and we weren't brave enough to keep attacking.
Good point about them tackling each other to force ball-ups too. And the most boundary throw-ins I've seen in a match. I wish there was something the AFL could do about that.
And re: Charlie Gardiner, the tall forward line won't be a problem with Fraser because Charlie won't be down there. His role is a lead-up half-forward who starts around the 50 and leads to the wing so Rooey isn't our only go-to man up there. This is now one of the most important positions in footy.
That's a valid point, but that's where we have to be smarter in playing guys up the field instead of in defence. Multiple opposition defenders standing on Kosi will not stay there if other forwards inside the 50 start leading up the ground to drag them away.
I don't recall the specific play to which Miss Saints refers, however I'd bet that it was a rebound play, so Roo led to the wing where he received the ball. Sydney defenders rushed back inside 50 to disadvantage Kosi, whether they were the backmen or not, and our forwards would have been covering the backmen who had moved up towards the centre of the ground.

The option some teams take is to leave their forwards behind play, which means that on the rebound they'll always have a target. The downside is that if you do that, a team like Sydney (or St. Kilda) will always be able to find a free man to kick it to as they move it laterally to try and beat the zone by switching.

One of the benefits of having Charlie Gardiner in the side is the possibility that rather than Reiwoldt having run up the ground, it will be him. That gives a leading option (Kosi/Gehrig) as well as "Pagan's Paddock" style options in Roo and Kosi (O'Laughlin pulled it off against us at one point) leading into the F50, because you can guarantee that the opposition won't leave too many defenders back when they've got the ball and we've pulled our forwards out.

One of the things the NAB cup has given me to expect is that we've got a much more sound rebound strategy than a year ago. As dissapointed as I was in the game Saturday night, the fact that this strategy wasn't prevailing against Sydney doesn't really mean much, as their gameplan is built around minimising the impact of other teams offensive thrusts.


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Post: # 537279Post rodgerfox »

It's worth noting that we were only 20 points in front at Q time - and we'd only kicked 4 goals.

We appeared to dominate, but as has been the case for 23 weeks - we struggled to score.


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rodgerfox wrote:It's worth noting that we were only 20 points in front at Q time - and we'd only kicked 4 goals.

We appeared to dominate, but as has been the case for 23 weeks - we struggled to score.
Also worth noting that having kicked 4.4, we continued one of what I feel is the biggest problems for the Saints, failing to make our domination count. Of the 4 misses, they should have had at least 2 more goals.

Which meant that Sydney was able to tie it up by half time, and while they lifted in the 2nd quarter, they weren't as good as the Saints were in the 1st around the ground - IMO of course. However it's all about scoreboard, so either the 2nd has to concern us, or the 1st wasn't as good as it looked.


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BAM! (shhhh) wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:It's worth noting that we were only 20 points in front at Q time - and we'd only kicked 4 goals.

We appeared to dominate, but as has been the case for 23 weeks - we struggled to score.
Also worth noting that having kicked 4.4, we continued one of what I feel is the biggest problems for the Saints, failing to make our domination count. Of the 4 misses, they should have had at least 2 more goals.

Which meant that Sydney was able to tie it up by half time, and while they lifted in the 2nd quarter, they weren't as good as the Saints were in the 1st around the ground - IMO of course. However it's all about scoreboard, so either the 2nd has to concern us, or the 1st wasn't as good as it looked.
19 inside 50's in the first quarter...for 4.4 :?


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Post: # 537631Post GeorgeYoung27 »

In watching the replay, we also dominated the start of the 3rd quarter and caught them out a number of times on the rebound. Unfortunately Milne ran into an open goal and hit the post, Joey marked 15m out on a tight angle and missed, and Harvey ran into an open goal and missed from 30m. All in the space of about 5 minutes.

Our biggest problem is not game plan but missing easy shots (same thing as last year) which then does not allow us to put scoreboard pressure on the opposition.

PS Would have loved G-train in the side last week just to kick the goal from his favourite pocket which Roo missed just on 3 quarter time.


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