"Could"saintsRrising wrote:He acknowledged at the time that if the Saints had flooded that we would have won.
C-O-U-L-D
Seriously.
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What he said was along the lines of he wanted them to play as they needed (in his mind) to play in the finals.SENsaintsational wrote:That is an extremely long bow to draw that he 'deliberately' lost a game. His plans and tactics may have contributed to many losses, but he was trying to win with his differing tactics. .
HAHHAAHahahahaha!!saintsRrising wrote:Why?SENsaintsational wrote:That is an extremely long bow to draw that he 'deliberately' lost a game. .
He acknowledged at the time that if the Saints had flooded that we would have won.
He chose not to...consciously.
Choosing not to act...when you know of the option...is just as mucha decision as choosing to alter action.
He made the wrong call....
He often made the wrong call...and that is the point.
He wanted to do it the GT way....and fair enough that he backed himself...but it was the wrong way.
HAHAHAHAhaahahahaAHAHAHA!!!saintsRrising wrote:What he said was along the lines of he wanted them to play as they needed (in his mind) to play in the finals.SENsaintsational wrote:That is an extremely long bow to draw that he 'deliberately' lost a game. His plans and tactics may have contributed to many losses, but he was trying to win with his differing tactics. .
He was aware that he could have flooded and won the Roos game, but chose not to due to his focus on September.
So he was able to guarantee winning games of football now too was he? IN HIS OPINION, we would've won the game. IN HIS OPINION, he didn't believe flooding was necessary. HIS OPINION was most likely wrong.saintsRrising wrote:Why?SENsaintsational wrote:That is an extremely long bow to draw that he 'deliberately' lost a game. .
He acknowledged at the time that if the Saints had flooded that we would have won.
He wanted to do it the GT way....and fair enough that he backed himself...but it was the wrong way.
Yeah, but....it makes me feel loved with all my media mateys!!JeffDunne wrote:Why do you keep quoting the same post?
Maybe for once you could try and think of a considered response rather than firing off and then adding your "yeah, but" re-quotings of the same post?
Just a thought?
spot on, and isn't it a shame some people on here can't see the bleetingly obvious???TimeToShineFellas wrote:No, his ultimate failure was not delivering us a Flag.meher baba wrote:In short, GT was a success as a coach: especially in his first four full seasons. His ultimate failure was to take his team to the finals in three successive seasons.
Not sure how you define "success" in coaching, but I rate them according to winning Premierships in September (or October if you count 1990).
3 finals campaigns in a Row with jack-shyte to show for.
No flags won in that time, so I wouldn't consider it to be successful.......
St Kilda has only had one successful coach in its entire history.
I have very faith that Ross Lyon will be the man who delivers us Flag number 2.
He's gone. Move on.saintspremiers wrote:spot on, and isn't it a shame some people on here can't see the bleetingly obvious???TimeToShineFellas wrote:No, his ultimate failure was not delivering us a Flag.meher baba wrote:In short, GT was a success as a coach: especially in his first four full seasons. His ultimate failure was to take his team to the finals in three successive seasons.
Not sure how you define "success" in coaching, but I rate them according to winning Premierships in September (or October if you count 1990).
3 finals campaigns in a Row with jack-shyte to show for.
No flags won in that time, so I wouldn't consider it to be successful.......
St Kilda has only had one successful coach in its entire history.
I have very faith that Ross Lyon will be the man who delivers us Flag number 2.
I really feel sorry for some of them.
GT in his early part was a good coach for us, but failed in the ultimate objective. 2004 was a bizarre year - how could a coach allow a team to fall away so badly after such a great start? Really good coaches, together with a proper footy dept, fitness management expertise etc etc wouldn't have allowed this to happen. We would've at worst made the GF in 2004.
I was acting off something I had read in the past...possibly by yourself....maybe my assumption was wrong, maybe not???SENsaintsational wrote:Didn't say I was, didn't say I wasn't.
Was making the point though how assumptions can lead you down the path of credibility, or lack thereof.
Often? So how many games did that equate to that we missed out on the 4 points in?rodgerfox wrote:
He coaches for the long to medium term, and often that means missing out on the 4 points on a given day.
....and this resulted in the often losing of 4 points that you posted on????rodgerfox wrote: He regularly gives players tasks and rarely helps them out by moving them if they are getting beaten - he leaves them there to deal with it, and to learn from it.
No..I have provided material to back up what I said.rodgerfox wrote:I can't believe you're persisting with this.
You lied. And you're wrong aswell.
Just admit it. No amount of you twisting words and backtracking will change that.
saintsRrising wrote:No..I have provided material to back up what I said.rodgerfox wrote:I can't believe you're persisting with this.
You lied. And you're wrong aswell.
Just admit it. No amount of you twisting words and backtracking will change that.
whereas you are obviously trying now to back track furously from what you said.
So how many games is often Rodge? how many lots of 4 points did GT blow by your April 10 theory?
Lost a discussion????!!!saintsRrising wrote:I always know when you have lost the discussion Rodge...
At that time you typically:
*dodge any questions. Hence why many call you "dodgerfox"
*resort to various name calling from "liar" to "wanker"
You don't think that any of the fitness managers we had at the club over his time did anything at all? Yes, we neglected the area and should have put more money and effort into getting our players fit, but GT never considered himself a fitness manager.Now GT had to manage players fitness......took resposnibity for it, demaded it in fact.....and could not do it.
So is any team who bloods a youngster (when there is an experienced player missing out) deliberately losing the game? Did Stan Alves deliberately lose the '97 GF by leaving Shanahan on Jarman? Alves did admit that he probably should have put another player on him after the game, so he must have tanked.saintsRrising wrote:.....Remember GT is the only AFL coach that I have ever heard who admitted that he deliberately lost a H&A game. More astounding was that he thought that it was a good thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
St Kilda defeated by North Melbourne
Round 3, Telstra Dome,
Saturday, 9th April 2005,
Source: GT's own lips post the kangaroos game....
GT being asked post game why he did not flood stated that finals (or it may have been Premiership) teams did not do that. He further went on to acknowledge that if the Saints had of flooded that the Saints could have won. He chose not to flood.
I remember your signature late in 2006 went along the lines of "We have adopted a modern game plan and have maximised our chances of success." Sounds like you were pretty happy with our coaching at that point.That was the precise moment that I lost the faith in GT.