carscum's captain...ya gotta laugh...
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
Has about as much oomph as the one he's used to, so shouldn't be hard to make the transitionMr Magic wrote: BTW, do you reckon he knows the words to your beloved theme song yet?
Da da da da daaaaa
Da da da da daaaaaa
Da da da da daaa da daaa da daaaa
We are the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- Hurricane
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4038
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:24pm
- Location: The isle of Besaid, Spira
I think im going to cancel my foxtel account, who needs the comedy channel for laughs as long as we have Carlton. What will they use their next #1 pick on, a new VICE captain?
BANG BANG
BANG BANG
Mitsuharu Misawa 1962 - 2009.
I am vengeance....I am the night...I....AM.....BATMAN
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and im all out of bubblegum
I am vengeance....I am the night...I....AM.....BATMAN
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and im all out of bubblegum
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
I feel sorry for Nick Stevens.
He probably would have been a fantastic leader of a a club like carlton that is in some pretty hot water.
He's been at that club for yonks then all of a sudden someone like Juddy comes along and basically takes the crown.
I mean, I love watching Juddy play, and he's a great leader, as shown at west coast, but what were carlton thinking... or weren't they at all.
Ah well.
He probably would have been a fantastic leader of a a club like carlton that is in some pretty hot water.
He's been at that club for yonks then all of a sudden someone like Juddy comes along and basically takes the crown.
I mean, I love watching Juddy play, and he's a great leader, as shown at west coast, but what were carlton thinking... or weren't they at all.
Ah well.
![Image](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/LukeL26/thesaintsarecoming-5.jpg)
MWL - Blinding footy players on the field since 2003
Im enjoying the Carlton optimism at the moment.. I think we all know where they are heading, but letting thier supporters have their time in the sun in feb/march is a great way to lead into a new season of cellar dwelling for them..
Judd will be lucky to play a dozen games... He stated in the weekend paper that if he had his time over, he would not have had the surgery... something aint right down there, thats for sure.. And unlike at the eagles, who were contenders, Judd wont play injured as a blue.. 12 games max..
And they laughed at us about Hamills downfall... Get ready to have the last laugh saints!!
Judd will be lucky to play a dozen games... He stated in the weekend paper that if he had his time over, he would not have had the surgery... something aint right down there, thats for sure.. And unlike at the eagles, who were contenders, Judd wont play injured as a blue.. 12 games max..
And they laughed at us about Hamills downfall... Get ready to have the last laugh saints!!
- markp
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 15548
- Joined: Mon 26 Mar 2007 4:22pm
- Has thanked: 62 times
- Been thanked: 81 times
The captain needs to be more than just the best player surely? (and right now he's not even a player at all). He needs to represent the heart and soul of the club... how deflating for the other players if Mr Hollywood rocks up, takes a massive chunk out of the salary cap, gets the plum carpark and demands the Captaincy as part of the deal... all before he even knows his way around the change-rooms... then says he'll play when (and if) he feels right.St Fidelius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the appointment, Judd is clearly the best player on their list and arguably the best in the comp.
Even if I liked Carlton I'd say it was a bad move... Luke Ball showed what Class is all about.
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5788 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Which ones, his West Coast team mates or his Carlton team mates?Bevan Shorluey wrote: and from all reports is a standout role model to his teammates.
Looking forward to Kerr deserting a sinking ship and taking over from snowfalke down at Richmond next year if that's the example he's set.
Interesting whether there's any truth in the rumour the announcement was held off because Judd was negotiating more money to take on the role. Expect Rebecca to pick up another ambassador / modelling contract in the near future.
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
Well, you are entitled to your opinion.markp wrote:The captain needs to be more than just the best player surely? (and right now he's not even a player at all). He needs to represent the heart and soul of the club... how deflating for the other players if Mr Hollywood rocks up, takes a massive chunk out of the salary cap, gets the plum carpark and demands the Captaincy as part of the deal... all before he even knows his way around the change-rooms... then says he'll play when (and if) he feels right.St Fidelius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the appointment, Judd is clearly the best player on their list and arguably the best in the comp.
Even if I liked Carlton I'd say it was a bad move... Luke Ball showed what Class is all about.
Of course he is more than the best player, he has proven leadership abilities as well as being a premiership captain.
I don't know if a captain needs to represent the heart and soul of a club, but he is a leader that's for sure.
Yes, I do feel for Nick Stevens but at 28, maybe Carlton were looking for a player that will be a leader/captain for the long term
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
Yeah mate, so true.markp wrote:Only time will really tell if it was a good or bad move.....
I think they did something similar years ago when they appointed Sticks after just one season (I maybe wrong), but sticks surely would not have had "his heart and soul of the club" after just one season.
That decision of appointing Sticks proved correct IMO.
And know they have appointed a far more proven leader IMO.
But as you stated, Time will tell...
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12753
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 762 times
- Been thanked: 423 times
St Fidelius wrote:Well, you are entitled to your opinion.markp wrote:The captain needs to be more than just the best player surely? (and right now he's not even a player at all). He needs to represent the heart and soul of the club... how deflating for the other players if Mr Hollywood rocks up, takes a massive chunk out of the salary cap, gets the plum carpark and demands the Captaincy as part of the deal... all before he even knows his way around the change-rooms... then says he'll play when (and if) he feels right.St Fidelius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the appointment, Judd is clearly the best player on their list and arguably the best in the comp.
Even if I liked Carlton I'd say it was a bad move... Luke Ball showed what Class is all about.
Of course he is more than the best player, he has proven leadership abilities as well as being a premiership captain.
I don't know if a captain needs to represent the heart and soul of a club, but he is a leader that's for sure.
Yes, I do feel for Nick Stevens but at 28, maybe Carlton were looking for a player that will be a leader/captain for the long term
IIRC he only got the captaincy because
a) Cousins had had another off-field drama and the Wt Coke Eagles had to be seen to be doing something about it, so they stripped him of the captaincy.
b) They were negotiating an extension to his contract and thought this would help swing the deal.
Cousins, although officially stripped of the captaincy, was always considered the captain of that club by the players, coaches and fans.
So to call him a proven leader and Premiership captain is technically correct but in reality it overstates his leadership performance.
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
Never the less he is a leader IMO by his performance on the field.Mr Magic wrote:St Fidelius wrote:Well, you are entitled to your opinion.markp wrote:The captain needs to be more than just the best player surely? (and right now he's not even a player at all). He needs to represent the heart and soul of the club... how deflating for the other players if Mr Hollywood rocks up, takes a massive chunk out of the salary cap, gets the plum carpark and demands the Captaincy as part of the deal... all before he even knows his way around the change-rooms... then says he'll play when (and if) he feels right.St Fidelius wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the appointment, Judd is clearly the best player on their list and arguably the best in the comp.
Even if I liked Carlton I'd say it was a bad move... Luke Ball showed what Class is all about.
Of course he is more than the best player, he has proven leadership abilities as well as being a premiership captain.
I don't know if a captain needs to represent the heart and soul of a club, but he is a leader that's for sure.
Yes, I do feel for Nick Stevens but at 28, maybe Carlton were looking for a player that will be a leader/captain for the long term
IIRC he only got the captaincy because
a) Cousins had had another off-field drama and the Wt Coke Eagles had to be seen to be doing something about it, so they stripped him of the captaincy.
b) They were negotiating an extension to his contract and thought this would help swing the deal.
Cousins, although officially stripped of the captaincy, was always considered the captain of that club by the players, coaches and fans.
So to call him a proven leader and Premiership captain is technically correct but in reality it overstates his leadership performance.
Again, another point...
markp stated that a captain...
needs to represent the heart and soul of the club
Did Barassi represent that as captain for Carlton in his first year there??
Did Kernahan represent that as captain for Carlton after just one season with them?
This "heart and soul for the club" is nonsense IMO...
If a player has talent and has leadership qualities is the thing that clubs consider the most IMO
Don't get me wrong, I hate Carlton as much as most on here.
But I don't believe in bagging a club for the sake of it
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
Fid,
I notice your two scenarios are based on Carlton Captains.
And the one you pointed out with us was a Carlton player who came to us.
I'm with the old school, do your time and deserve your position.
Chri$$ will be rapt though, would have been a massive surprise to him
as will Rebeca with whatever "sponsorship" she is about to announce too.
Let them rot I say.
Heard that somewhere before.....
I notice your two scenarios are based on Carlton Captains.
And the one you pointed out with us was a Carlton player who came to us.
I'm with the old school, do your time and deserve your position.
Chri$$ will be rapt though, would have been a massive surprise to him
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Let them rot I say.
Heard that somewhere before.....
- DJKCR
- Club Player
- Posts: 99
- Joined: Fri 15 Feb 2008 9:39pm
- Has thanked: 4 times
- Been thanked: 4 times
I agree it is a pretty poor situation for a club to just hand over it's captaincy to a guy who has just walked in the door. But as it has been previously mentioned this is the same bunch that put Gibbs in the leadership group
But I don't think that Judd would have asked for the captaincy as a sweetener to coming across, from what I have seen of him, and this is only my opinion. I think that he would have rathered someone else to take the job
He has the pressure of starting at a new club, having supporters expectations that he is just going to waltz in and drag them to the top, I gather some players would be a bit offside with how much he is earning. The added media pressure of the "Trade of the century"
Not to mention he can't be to sure about getting back to his same old self on the track in any time in a hurry if Luke Ball is anything to go by. Luke was hard at the ball and didn't rely on bursts of speed to break away from packs. The games Judd did play last year he was a shadow of himself.
I think he has enough pressure on him without the added burden of captaining the rabble. I think he would have just been happy to blend into the scene quietly and attempt to play some quality footy.
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
But I don't think that Judd would have asked for the captaincy as a sweetener to coming across, from what I have seen of him, and this is only my opinion. I think that he would have rathered someone else to take the job
He has the pressure of starting at a new club, having supporters expectations that he is just going to waltz in and drag them to the top, I gather some players would be a bit offside with how much he is earning. The added media pressure of the "Trade of the century"
Not to mention he can't be to sure about getting back to his same old self on the track in any time in a hurry if Luke Ball is anything to go by. Luke was hard at the ball and didn't rely on bursts of speed to break away from packs. The games Judd did play last year he was a shadow of himself.
I think he has enough pressure on him without the added burden of captaining the rabble. I think he would have just been happy to blend into the scene quietly and attempt to play some quality footy.
- st_Trav_ofWA
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8886
- Joined: Wed 13 Sep 2006 7:10pm
- Location: Perth
- Contact:
its carlton who gives a rats whos captain heck im suprised dick pratt didnt buy the captaincy for himself ..
another year in the doldrums for carlton they may have the best player in the comp playing for them but the rest of the list falls away really fast after judd (and that while hes still injured) . lets see how judd go's without cox kerr embley stengline covering his ass and setting up free passage through the middle
another year in the doldrums for carlton they may have the best player in the comp playing for them but the rest of the list falls away really fast after judd (and that while hes still injured) . lets see how judd go's without cox kerr embley stengline covering his ass and setting up free passage through the middle
"The team that wins in the most positions and makes the least amount of mistakes, usually wins the game." -- Allan Jeans
http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
St Fidelius wrote:Just on this issue...
Did we not appoint Alex Jesaulenko as Captain??
Just how many games did he play for the Saints before he was appointed?
two......came to the saints as a player only...then after two weeks we sacked patterson and appointed jezza as the coach.....i presume he was the captain as well.....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
some carscum supporters are none too happy either...
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415875
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415875
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
- St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am
Fair enough...Iceman234 wrote:Fid,
I notice your two scenarios are based on Carlton Captains.
And the one you pointed out with us was a Carlton player who came to us.
I'm with the old school, do your time and deserve your position.
Chri$$ will be rapt though, would have been a massive surprise to himas will Rebeca with whatever "sponsorship" she is about to announce too.
Let them rot I say.
Heard that somewhere before.....
That's your opinion...
I, for one don't want ANY side to rot (EXCEPT FOR THE PROPOSED TWO NEW CLUBS).
I just don't think it was a bad decision if Carlton are looking "long term"...
As I have stated Stevens is 28 and IMO not a long term option the same mistake was made last year with Whitnall IMO.
I really don't give a rats, but the best "long term option" had to be Judd..
I was pointing out a statement about that a captain ..
And IMO I don't agree with the commentneeds to represent the heart and soul of the club
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
Fid.. If we're talking long term... perhaps Marc Murphy would have been a good choice.. Sure he is young and all, but didn't they start Carey young? Same as we did with Roo.
Murphy was also the number 1 draft pick, has showed that he can play quality football in a team with fairly mediocre players. IMO, Murphy would have been the logical choice.
Murphy was also the number 1 draft pick, has showed that he can play quality football in a team with fairly mediocre players. IMO, Murphy would have been the logical choice.
![Image](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/LukeL26/thesaintsarecoming-5.jpg)
MWL - Blinding footy players on the field since 2003
- Winmarvellous
- Club Player
- Posts: 1691
- Joined: Mon 25 Sep 2006 8:13pm
- Location: WA
He seems the logical choice so long as his injury holds up, or perhaps they should have taken the easy way out and appointed three captains
. Football has changed. Leadership doesn't come from being around a club, but the manner you go about your football. Sad, but true. I really can't see anybody of Judd's class and professionalism at Carlton, and Stevens himself is on his way back from a pretty serious injury. Why this is a bad decision I can't tell.
A few posters on here have been saying they wouldn't mind Roo going to the proposed Gold Coast team, so long as we've won a premiership. I assume he'd pretty miuch sew up the captaincy there, and leave one behind here to do so. I know it's only speculation, but maybe we should bite our tounges lest it come back to haunt us.
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
A few posters on here have been saying they wouldn't mind Roo going to the proposed Gold Coast team, so long as we've won a premiership. I assume he'd pretty miuch sew up the captaincy there, and leave one behind here to do so. I know it's only speculation, but maybe we should bite our tounges lest it come back to haunt us.