Who's got the edge in '08 (warning, very long post)

[saintsRrising]

I would not play Fraser as a key position....but wide and in space running.

Interesting point I think with Fraser.

I've always thought he's the most overrated footballer going around.


Once it's conceded that he isn't a good KPP, then he needs to be traded. Surely.

Well trading him is the Pies call.

I was just commenting on where I would play him in a Pies team.

Overated...well yes in terms of being a No 1 pick.

He is useful player...rather than a star player.

From the Pies current list he does deserve to be in their best 22.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

West Coasts bad form almost always coincides with Ash Hansen not being in the team, its unbelievable how important he is to the team.

We won 8 from 10 in the games he played more than a quarter in, the others we had the 18 year old mitch brown trying his best but apart from a good first half in round 1 was way out of his depth fitness and experience wise.

West Coast are in a far better position overall than we were in 2002/2003 & 2004 and we made the 8 every time, missed the finals only twice in the last 18 or 19 years in fact

the Subiaco home ground is a massive advantage and should never be underestimated.

I agree, Subi home ground is the Eagles biggest asset, they understand it well and are built to play there... if they make the 8, I've no doubt it will be on the back of Subiaco wins... However, based on the Saints and Lions victories at Subi last year, I think they'll be vulnerable, even on the home ground.

Without Subiaco I'd have them bottom 4.

Even with Ashley Hansen

[Oh When the Saints]

What you say about Geelong you could say about any club but they have better depth. Geelong should be short priced favourites but are not over line.

How well did their depth hold up in 06?

And that has alot to do with 2008. There depth is better now because the players improved or do you think players cannot improve.

How do we know they have depth? It wasn't tested last year - they had no injuries.

In 06 it was tested. And the results showed how good their depth was.

There is nothing to suggest their depth is any good.

Take out Ablett, Bartel, Mooney and Scarlett for a few important weeks and see if their depth is any good.

Then give a few other key players such as Ottens and Ling some season limiting injuries to carry all year and see how well they go.


We've proven that we have the best depth going around. Our results with severe injuries compared to the results of other club's with severe injuries speak for themselves.

Spot on.

Everyone carries on about the Cats' depth, but who were their emergencies during the second half of the year?

Playfair and Gardiner ...

Both are gone. Along with Nathan Ablett and Steven King.

That's four players out of the Cats' depth who are no longer at the club.


Add in a couple of normal injuries, and they are bottom 8 material.

[Armoooo]

There is always Prismall, Varcoe and Tenace, Hawkins should continue to develop and West should get a game...

There depth is very overrated, it's quite interesting that they now have this great depth, it was never tested this season so how would anybody know how good it is...