Thomas, Saints in stalemate over payment dispute
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If GT is genuinely owed entitlements (what ever the sum) I hope he is paid by the club.
What ever income GT derived from the club in his tenure as coach be it excessive or not sufficient is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.
IF GT is acting as deviously as some here believe he will be exposed if this matter reaches Court and he will bare Court and associated costs and leave without compensation.
I would very much doubt that this matter will find its way to Court and will be settled once the club reaches a figure acceptable to GT – obviously more than $100K.
Attempting to debate the merit of the case without any real knowledge is and exercise in futility.
GT is looking after GT, can’t personally see anything wrong with that. He does not have to forgo money he believes he is owed because he has publicly stated his love of St Kilda.
GT loves GT, no issue with that either!
Personally I look forward to the matter being finalized and St Kilda rid of Grant Thomas and the Grant Thomas/ Rod Butterss era. I thank them for what they did for the club but I am equally glad both have moved on.
GT & RB reached there use by dates, unfortunately the new custodians of the club haven’t quite finished clearing out the fridge since taking up residency.
What ever income GT derived from the club in his tenure as coach be it excessive or not sufficient is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.
IF GT is acting as deviously as some here believe he will be exposed if this matter reaches Court and he will bare Court and associated costs and leave without compensation.
I would very much doubt that this matter will find its way to Court and will be settled once the club reaches a figure acceptable to GT – obviously more than $100K.
Attempting to debate the merit of the case without any real knowledge is and exercise in futility.
GT is looking after GT, can’t personally see anything wrong with that. He does not have to forgo money he believes he is owed because he has publicly stated his love of St Kilda.
GT loves GT, no issue with that either!
Personally I look forward to the matter being finalized and St Kilda rid of Grant Thomas and the Grant Thomas/ Rod Butterss era. I thank them for what they did for the club but I am equally glad both have moved on.
GT & RB reached there use by dates, unfortunately the new custodians of the club haven’t quite finished clearing out the fridge since taking up residency.
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Plenty of times that he pumped us up last year. A few examples....st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
what pro saints commenty would that be ? the "i would of traded Milne" or the " i was tempted to leave Milne and G-train behind on interstate games " or maybe the "Maguire can only run in straight lines "
- he was one of only a handful of commentators who said that we would run over Melbourne in round 1. Very good write up given that he could have been forgiven for being bitter prior to the first game after he was given the boot.
- many, many times I heard him give glowing comments about St Kilda players in both professional and personal terms on SEN prior to games on Sat midday footy preview as well as the Fri preview forum.
Trav, I understand that you are in the West so may not get all the media that we do over here. GT stood up for and was very pro-Saints in both his newspaper and radio gigs last year. I heard him and read him first hand by buying the papers and tuning into to 1116.
It's just that headlines like "GT compliments Saints" are not deemed as newsworthy as the relatively few times the opposite happened. Do not fall for the rubbish that many on here post about his supposed "white-anting". Whilst I'm not saying that ALL he did was positive regarding the Saints after he left us, but the vast majority of his public utterances were and that should not be forgotten.
Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
You've restored my faith JB.Joffa Burns wrote:If GT is genuinely owed entitlements (what ever the sum) I hope he is paid by the club.
What ever income GT derived from the club in his tenure as coach be it excessive or not sufficient is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.
IF GT is acting as deviously as some here believe he will be exposed if this matter reaches Court and he will bare Court and associated costs and leave without compensation.
I would very much doubt that this matter will find its way to Court and will be settled once the club reaches a figure acceptable to GT – obviously more than $100K.
Attempting to debate the merit of the case without any real knowledge is and exercise in futility.
GT is looking after GT, can’t personally see anything wrong with that. He does not have to forgo money he believes he is owed because he has publicly stated his love of St Kilda.
GT loves GT, no issue with that either!
Personally I look forward to the matter being finalized and St Kilda rid of Grant Thomas and the Grant Thomas/ Rod Butterss era. I thank them for what they did for the club but I am equally glad both have moved on.
GT & RB reached there use by dates, unfortunately the new custodians of the club haven’t quite finished clearing out the fridge since taking up residency.
Merry Christmas to you & your family.
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as i was saying, ..thomas is our second most successful coach.....pple don't like that ......tough titties....barks4eva wrote:stinger wrote: he's our second most successful coach.
Three St.Kilda coaches have got us into a Grand Final for starters and Thomas isn't one of them
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.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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you do yourself no credit......Sainternist wrote:if you find it offensive, then as far as i'm concerned, you deserve to be offended.stinger wrote:most saints supporters would find your comment offensive ffs....
alves and even sheldon, imho, were better coaches than the pigdog.
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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i will send a taxi and some boys to make sure he attends our first game then...will even buy him a membership...well worth the money.....barks4eva wrote:
The day GT is back at our club, will be the day I stop buying memberships
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.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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I'd rather that is the day you dont post on the site.stinger wrote:i will send a taxi and some boys to make sure he attends our first game then...will even buy him a membership...well worth the money.....barks4eva wrote:
The day GT is back at our club, will be the day I stop buying memberships
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...but then again..you have already proved time and time again that you are not one to stick to your promises....
Joffa Burns wrote:
If GT is genuinely owed entitlements (what ever the sum) I hope he is paid by the club.
What ever income GT derived from the club in his tenure as coach be it excessive or not sufficient is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.
IF GT is acting as deviously as some here believe he will be exposed if this matter reaches Court and he will bare Court and associated costs and leave without compensation.
I would very much doubt that this matter will find its way to Court and will be settled once the club reaches a figure acceptable to GT – obviously more than $100K.
Attempting to debate the merit of the case without any real knowledge is and exercise in futility.
GT is looking after GT, can’t personally see anything wrong with that. He does not have to forgo money he believes he is owed because he has publicly stated his love of St Kilda.
GT loves GT, no issue with that either!
Personally I look forward to the matter being finalized and St Kilda rid of Grant Thomas and the Grant Thomas/ Rod Butterss era. I thank them for what they did for the club but I am equally glad both have moved on.
GT & RB reached there use by dates, unfortunately the new custodians of the club haven’t quite finished clearing out the fridge since taking up residency.
You'e restored my faith JB.
Merry Christmas to you & your family.
thats made my day
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merry christmas everyone
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yeah, suing the football club for $167,000, in holiday pay you've already signed a stat dec stating you've already been paid in full, yeah good on yagazrat wrote:
good on ya gt
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The club you claim you love even tried to settle by agreeing to pay the dodgy hush money but still that wasn't good enough, yeah good on ya
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got appointed in a flawed process and got paid $500,000 a year straight up without any previous AFL coaching experiencethanx for having a go
In all St.Kilda Football club paid Thomas over 2.5 million dollars
yeah thanx for the huge sacrifice
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Do people really need to be reminded that we played off in a GRAND FINAL four years before Thomas inherited a dream list through the draft,thanx for dragging our ****'d up and ****'d over footy club into the modern day , on no money and by the sounds of it , no support from those who preached 'the ten year plan '
seriously the way some on here carry on, you'd think the club was dead in the water when he took over
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fact is with all of those early picks, we were heading up the ladder regardless of who was coaching
the one currently doing the ****'ing over is Thomas if you care to open your eyes and deal with the reality
update for those with their heads in the sandmay these issues get sorted , quickly ...for every practicle obvious reason
St.Kilda Football Club offered to pay out the $100,000 hush money which was inappropriately offered by Butterss in the first place to settle the matter NOW
who was it exactly, that rejected this, still trying to pursue more money which he's already signed a stat dec stating he's not even owed
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**** himmerry christmas to you and yours grant
and you write may sense reign.... by allowing him to be involved with our club againmay 'sense' reign ....allowing you to be involved with our club again
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now where exactly is the sense in that?
fair fricken dickum, that's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard you say
DO THE MATHS AND THE SQUARES ARE ALL ROOTED.
As I have said may times, please seek help you sad person.barks4eva wrote:yeah, suing the football club for $167,000, in holiday pay you've already signed a stat dec stating you've already been paid in full, yeah good on yagazrat wrote:
good on ya gt
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The club you claim you love even tried to settle by agreeing to pay the dodgy hush money but still that wasn't good enough, yeah good on ya![]()
got appointed in a flawed process and got paid $500,000 a year straight up without any previous AFL coaching experiencethanx for having a go
In all St.Kilda Football club paid Thomas over 2.5 million dollars
yeah thanx for the huge sacrifice![]()
Do people really need to be reminded that we played off in a GRAND FINAL four years before Thomas inherited a dream list through the draft,thanx for dragging our ****'d up and ****'d over footy club into the modern day , on no money and by the sounds of it , no support from those who preached 'the ten year plan '
seriously the way some on here carry on, you'd think the club was dead in the water when he took over![]()
fact is with all of those early picks, we were heading up the ladder regardless of who was coaching
the one currently doing the ****'ing over is Thomas if you care to open your eyes and deal with the reality
update for those with their heads in the sandmay these issues get sorted , quickly ...for every practicle obvious reason
St.Kilda Football Club offered to pay out the $100,000 hush money which was inappropriately offered by Butterss in the first place to settle the matter NOW
who was it exactly, that rejected this, still trying to pursue more money which he's already signed a stat dec stating he's not even owed![]()
**** himmerry christmas to you and yours grant
and you write may sense reign.... by allowing him to be involved with our club againmay 'sense' reign ....allowing you to be involved with our club again![]()
now where exactly is the sense in that?
fair fricken dickum, that's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard you say
move on....the courts will decide, if he is owed he will get paid...if not he wont....the good news is we have a new set up which feels right....looks good and is stable......I cant see how he would be welcomed back until we win a flag.....new board or old board I think changes like the Drain appointment show that GT had well and truley taken the club as far as he could....when we win a flag he should be invited back, but not before and even then only recognised for his contribution....IMHO he was allowed by the the RB board to stay too long...what we have seen in changes over the last few months the club needed a lot of high quality brought in.....something GT was never able to do.... ![Embarassed :oops:](./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
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I really don't understand this at all
Why r so many people who aren't privvy to the facts playing judge, jury and executioner
I like GT but I haven't got the faintest idea whether he's owed 0 or $200 000 plus... and i don't care
the courts will sort it out and he'll get whatever he's entitled too and rightly so
Why r so many people who aren't privvy to the facts playing judge, jury and executioner
I like GT but I haven't got the faintest idea whether he's owed 0 or $200 000 plus... and i don't care
the courts will sort it out and he'll get whatever he's entitled too and rightly so
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Best post in this whole thread, well said Joffa.Joffa Burns wrote:If GT is genuinely owed entitlements (what ever the sum) I hope he is paid by the club.
What ever income GT derived from the club in his tenure as coach be it excessive or not sufficient is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.
IF GT is acting as deviously as some here believe he will be exposed if this matter reaches Court and he will bare Court and associated costs and leave without compensation.
I would very much doubt that this matter will find its way to Court and will be settled once the club reaches a figure acceptable to GT – obviously more than $100K.
Attempting to debate the merit of the case without any real knowledge is and exercise in futility.
GT is looking after GT, can’t personally see anything wrong with that. He does not have to forgo money he believes he is owed because he has publicly stated his love of St Kilda.
GT loves GT, no issue with that either!
Personally I look forward to the matter being finalized and St Kilda rid of Grant Thomas and the Grant Thomas/ Rod Butterss era. I thank them for what they did for the club but I am equally glad both have moved on.
GT & RB reached there use by dates, unfortunately the new custodians of the club haven’t quite finished clearing out the fridge since taking up residency.
As Thomas quite often trumpeted, his experience was in the business world so I hope what he's claiming is not your typical ambit claim with the hope or belief that the Saints will settle before ultra expensive legal proceedings begin.
Now that he's knocked back the offer I hope it's the one and only offer made and it does go to court. I would like to know the truth, afterall we are not talking about chump change, the amount of money spoken about is the equivalent of winning a pre-season 'wok'.
I'm currently on the side of the club in that I find it hard to believe that a man who prided himself on his business acumen and demanded control of the player's contract negotiations would have himself pressured out of $150K+.
Just seems there is a lot dirt swept under some tatty piece of Social Club carpet that will spill out if this hits the court.
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Spot on Ghost.
Take it to court Sainters - lets bare this half @ssed used car salesman down Bourke St with the truth. The NEW Board offered this turkey $100k - they obviously do not believe in his right to all of the claim so lets bring out the truth.
Pressured into signing - f@rk me........
The best thing is the longer Thomas drags this out the longer its gonna be before he comes anywhere near the club he died in 2 world wars for....
As for the amount of psycophants on this site who are just happy to have maybe once been in the presence of gt...get a grip FFS.
Take it to court Sainters - lets bare this half @ssed used car salesman down Bourke St with the truth. The NEW Board offered this turkey $100k - they obviously do not believe in his right to all of the claim so lets bring out the truth.
Pressured into signing - f@rk me........
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As for the amount of psycophants on this site who are just happy to have maybe once been in the presence of gt...get a grip FFS.
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EXACTLYGhost Like wrote:
I'm currently on the side of the club in that I find it hard to believe that a man who prided himself on his business acumen and demanded control of the player's contract negotiations would have himself pressured out of $150K+.
Thomas who DEMANDED FULL CONTROL with ALL PLAYER CONTRACTS and negotiations, apparently would conveniently like everyone to now believe that he wasn't even capable of sorting out his own
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Thomas the wizz bang contract negotiator signed a stat dec stating he's owed nothing and now claims he was pressured into signing
As if $100,000 of hush money and 2.5 million he secured through, what he himself admits was a FLAWED PROCESS, isn't enough already
I mean FAIR FRICKEN DINKUM
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certainly wasn't lining his own pockets with over 2.5 million of football club money, that's for suregazrat wrote:
what was butterss doing whilst gt was look'n after everything ?
personally I'm glad to be rid of both of them
it seems that the GT doll worshippers continue to be the loyal blowhards and love sick puppies even when the guy is suing the club for money he's already signed a legal document stating he's not even owed
some people just never get it do they?
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Got the new number for you. Its 1800barksneedshelp. Please ring they are open 24 hours a day and for you may even open 25.barks4eva wrote:certainly wasn't lining his own pockets with over 2.5 million of football club money, that's for suregazrat wrote:
what was butterss doing whilst gt was look'n after everything ?
personally I'm glad to be rid of both of them
it seems that the GT doll worshippers continue to be the loyal blowhards and love sick puppies even when the guy is suing the club for money he's already signed a legal document stating he's not even owed
some people just never get it do they?
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Got an opinion on all this plugger, or just more fun to tell people whose opinion you disagree with to "seek help you sad person" or some such?plugger66 wrote:Got the new number for you. Its 1800barksneedshelp. Please ring they are open 24 hours a day and for you may even open 25.barks4eva wrote:certainly wasn't lining his own pockets with over 2.5 million of football club money, that's for suregazrat wrote:
what was butterss doing whilst gt was look'n after everything ?
personally I'm glad to be rid of both of them
it seems that the GT doll worshippers continue to be the loyal blowhards and love sick puppies even when the guy is suing the club for money he's already signed a legal document stating he's not even owed
some people just never get it do they?
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Mate, b4e is a pain in the arse.saint66au wrote: Got an opinion on all this plugger, or just more fun to tell people whose opinion you disagree with to "seek help you sad person" or some such?
Constantly posts selective information (lies) and uses this forum as a soapbox. Never responds to specific debate.
If someone tells him to pull his head you put up with it - 'cause the rest of us put up with that dill every day.