Brayshaw has nothing to lose

saintsRrising · Tue 18 Dec 2007 4:45pm

The AFL being an entirely new competition?????

The then VFL was a quasi- national competition....with the vast majority of the countries best aussie rules players drawn to it.

People in other states who followed football often had a VFL Club as well as their local state competion. Whereas very few Victorians would follow clubs in othe states.

Equating the VFL in it's final years to the SAFL or the WAFL is no comparison at all. I am not degritating those competitions but they essentially only had a local following whereas the VFL in its later years had a strong national following.

The AFL is not a new competition but rather the VFL metamorphosised
into it's next stage.

We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.

rodgerfox · Post: # 503915Post **rodgerfox** » Wed 19 Dec 2007 8:17am

saintsRrising wrote:
We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.

No shiit genius.

The question is, and what is being discussed, is whether or not you would have the same passion for the entity you 'evolve' into. Whether or not you see this new entity as the club you barrack for currently.

I say no, others are saying yes.

At least this time when you posted irrelevant and bleedingly obvious drivel, you kept it to less than 1000 words and didn't quadruple space each paragraph.

RBnW · Post: # 503931Post **RBnW** » Wed 19 Dec 2007 8:56am

rodgerfox wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:
We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.
No shiit genius.

The question is, and what is being discussed, is whether or not you would have the same passion for the entity you 'evolve' into. Whether or not you see this new entity as the club you barrack for currently.

I say no, others are saying yes

At least this time when you posted irrelevant and bleedingly obvious drivel, you kept it to less than 1000 words and didn't quadruple space each paragraph.

Having a bad day Wodger.....I didn't realise you were a Brayshaw fan that much....

rodgerfox · Post: # 504070Post **rodgerfox** » Wed 19 Dec 2007 2:09pm

RBnW wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:
We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.
No shiit genius.

The question is, and what is being discussed, is whether or not you would have the same passion for the entity you 'evolve' into. Whether or not you see this new entity as the club you barrack for currently.

I say no, others are saying yes

At least this time when you posted irrelevant and bleedingly obvious drivel, you kept it to less than 1000 words and didn't quadruple space each paragraph.
Having a bad day Wodger.....I didn't realise you were a Brayshaw fan that much....

Brayshaw fan??

At what point have I given that impression?

Joffa Burns · Wed 19 Dec 2007 2:16pm

Personally I'd rather see my club relocate such as the Swans than fold like Fitzroy (no matter how gallant the Lions attempt to attract old Fitzroy people).

A Kangaroos on the GC seems a better option to me than extinction.

rodgerfox · Post: # 504137Post **rodgerfox** » Wed 19 Dec 2007 4:31pm

Joffa Burns wrote: A Kangaroos on the GC seems a better option to me than extinction.

To me, they're the same thing.

riccardo · Post: # 504140Post **riccardo** » Wed 19 Dec 2007 4:37pm

rodgerfox wrote:
Joffa Burns wrote: A Kangaroos on the GC seems a better option to me than extinction.
To me, they're the same thing.

100% agree.

Relocated, merged, they are both fancy teams for "its not your team any longer".

To me death is almost preferable to that kind of half-life.

BAM! (shhhh) · Wed 19 Dec 2007 4:48pm

riccardo wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
Joffa Burns wrote: A Kangaroos on the GC seems a better option to me than extinction.
To me, they're the same thing.
100% agree.

Relocated, merged, they are both fancy teams for "its not your team any longer".

To me death is almost preferable to that kind of half-life.

Is it half life or new life? Whether it's the same team or not, if they're in the comp, even if they're not your team, it's your team that formed the template for them. It's like the next generation.

South Melbourne couldn't survive in the VFL, and went on to become the template for the first interstate team. Fitzroy couldn't survive, and became the overwrite for a failing Queensland franchise.

Even if you do view South and Fitzroy as dead (and I'm still not convinced, but I can see the POV), and even if we grant that eventually expansion franchises would have succeeded, you can look at those teams and know they would have been different without that final legacy from their Melbourne predecessors.

Sure, it may not be much, but since both teams have strong Melbourne support, we know a tie remains... children grow up, in Melbourne, cheering for Sydney Swans.

But nobody grows up barracking their hearts out for University.

saintsRrising · Thu 20 Dec 2007 12:07am

rodgerfox wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:
We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.
No shiit genius.

The question is, and what is being discussed, is whether or not you would have the same passion for the entity you 'evolve' into. Whether or not you see this new entity as the club you barrack for currently.

I say no, others are saying yes.

At least this time when you posted irrelevant and bleedingly obvious drivel, you kept it to less than 1000 words and didn't quadruple space each paragraph.

Did you have passion for the VFL Saints?

Do you still have passion for the AFL Saints??

You say no???? But why are you here if you have no passion for the evolving Saints??

The VFA Saints area far cry from what they have evolved into....and there seems to be a lot of passionate Saints who are not in Melbourne.

rodgerfox · Post: # 504478Post **rodgerfox** » Thu 20 Dec 2007 1:53pm

saintsRrising wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:
We are in a world of survival of the fittest.

You either evolve or you die off.
No shiit genius.

The question is, and what is being discussed, is whether or not you would have the same passion for the entity you 'evolve' into. Whether or not you see this new entity as the club you barrack for currently.

I say no, others are saying yes.

At least this time when you posted irrelevant and bleedingly obvious drivel, you kept it to less than 1000 words and didn't quadruple space each paragraph.
Did you have passion for the VFL Saints?

Do you still have passion for the AFL Saints??

You say no???? But why are you here if you have no passion for the evolving Saints??

The VFA Saints area far cry from what they have evolved into....and there seems to be a lot of passionate Saints who are not in Melbourne.

I still have passion.

But nowhere near the passion I once had. Not even close. It's getting less and less every year. With every rule change, with every interview I see with Demetriou, with every new jumper we run out on the ground in, every time I have to reserve a seat at Docklands.

The Saints are the only thing that keeps me vaguely interested in AFL. I only watched about 30 minutes of this years GF.

Guys like Burkey and Harves are what keep me passionate about the Saints. Guys I watched debut when I was a kid - when we were a true footy club. Guys who I could go and watch train and when they were doing drills on the other side of the ground, me and my mate would be having shots at the South Rd end.

When Harves retires, what little passion I have left will be truly tested.

Now that we're a franchise, it's different. If we were a franchise of the St Kilda Footy Club, it'd be Ok. But we're not. We're a revenue source for the AFL.

That doesn't sit well with me.

Evolving as a club is fine. All clubs do it. Local clubs do it all the time.

But the evolution we're seeing isn't evolution for the right reasons - it's evolution to allow a big business to get bigger. For people to get richer.

The game, and our club along the way, has been hijacked. We're not evolving naturally, we're being forced to tow a line. And it's a line that I don't agree with.