Good looking squad
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Good looking squad
only weakness is really tall defenders....
Tall Defenders 9
M.Hudghton 191
M.Maguire 190
S.Fisher 191
S.Gilbert 194
J.Gwilt 188
J.Blake 191
L.Miles 191
G.Chivers 189
K.Haretuku 198
Medium/Small Defenders 6
J.Gram
R.Clarke
L.Fisher
J.Attard (inj)
S.Dempster
M.Ferguson
B.Howard
Ruck 5
S.King
M.Gardner
M.Rix
B.McEvoy
L.Van Reehnan
Midfield 15
L.Hayes 28
N.Dal Santo 24
L.Ball 24
L.Montagna 24
R.Harvey 36
B.Goddard 23
S.Baker 27
A.Fiora 27
D.Armitage 19
S.Birss 25
C.Jones 24
J.Geary 19
A.McQualter 22
R.Eddy 19
J.Steven 18
Tall Forwards 5
N.Riewoldt 193
J.Koschitzke 197
F.Gehrig 195
J.Allen 192
C.Gardner 190
Small/Medium Fwds 4
A.Schnieder
S.Milne
X.Clarke
E.Conners
Weaknesses ????????
Tall Defenders 9
M.Hudghton 191
M.Maguire 190
S.Fisher 191
S.Gilbert 194
J.Gwilt 188
J.Blake 191
L.Miles 191
G.Chivers 189
K.Haretuku 198
Medium/Small Defenders 6
J.Gram
R.Clarke
L.Fisher
J.Attard (inj)
S.Dempster
M.Ferguson
B.Howard
Ruck 5
S.King
M.Gardner
M.Rix
B.McEvoy
L.Van Reehnan
Midfield 15
L.Hayes 28
N.Dal Santo 24
L.Ball 24
L.Montagna 24
R.Harvey 36
B.Goddard 23
S.Baker 27
A.Fiora 27
D.Armitage 19
S.Birss 25
C.Jones 24
J.Geary 19
A.McQualter 22
R.Eddy 19
J.Steven 18
Tall Forwards 5
N.Riewoldt 193
J.Koschitzke 197
F.Gehrig 195
J.Allen 192
C.Gardner 190
Small/Medium Fwds 4
A.Schnieder
S.Milne
X.Clarke
E.Conners
Weaknesses ????????
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While we have considerable midfield depth, the quality really drops away after Hayes, Dal-Santo, Montagna and perhaps Harvey (not expecting a huge year from him though) and Ball (See how his groin is). That is essentially a good first tier midfield, which would dominate 13 or 14 other teams.
This really needs to be addressed by individual players stepping up, the likes of Baker need to bounce back from 2007 form, and guys like Birss, Geary, Jones, Gram, and Armitage really need to step up to the plate. They are currently GOP midfielders. If Eddy and Steven can make an appearance or two this year, that will bode well for their careers.
This really needs to be addressed by individual players stepping up, the likes of Baker need to bounce back from 2007 form, and guys like Birss, Geary, Jones, Gram, and Armitage really need to step up to the plate. They are currently GOP midfielders. If Eddy and Steven can make an appearance or two this year, that will bode well for their careers.
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Re: Good looking squad
You answered that in your first line....St.M wrote:only weakness is really tall defenders....
Tall Defenders 9
M.Hudghton 191
M.Maguire 190
S.Fisher 191
S.Gilbert 194
J.Gwilt 188
J.Blake 191
L.Miles 191
G.Chivers 189
K.Haretuku 198
Medium/Small Defenders 6
J.Gram
R.Clarke
L.Fisher
J.Attard (inj)
S.Dempster
M.Ferguson
B.Howard
Ruck 5
S.King
M.Gardner
M.Rix
B.McEvoy
L.Van Reehnan
Midfield 15
L.Hayes 28
N.Dal Santo 24
L.Ball 24
L.Montagna 24
R.Harvey 36
B.Goddard 23
S.Baker 27
A.Fiora 27
D.Armitage 19
S.Birss 25
C.Jones 24
J.Geary 19
A.McQualter 22
R.Eddy 19
J.Steven 18
Tall Forwards 5
N.Riewoldt 193
J.Koschitzke 197
F.Gehrig 195
J.Allen 192
C.Gardner 190
Small/Medium Fwds 4
A.Schnieder
S.Milne
X.Clarke
E.Conners
Weaknesses ????????
I just feel that Kosi may have to play some game time down back IMO
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They'll learn eventually. Or perhaps Howard and/or Eljay will kick on and become stars, then we'll all be singing their praises. Until then, it's okay to be skeptical.bobmurray wrote:That's the last few years i've been wanting the recruiting staff to draft a tall defender but we couldn't get one,we needed Raymond and Howard and Eljay.
Maybe next year........
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i does look as though we are lacking in the big defender dept but if the development of the younger guys in that possition comes along well and we are able o get a servicable year out of maxy we do look to be in ok shape for the future ... although i feel give it another 3 years we will be crying for anothe big quallity forward ..
geeze i hope one of these big lads weve picked up in the draft can step up and become and impacting player in the next 2 years
geeze i hope one of these big lads weve picked up in the draft can step up and become and impacting player in the next 2 years
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No such thing as a perfect list....but our list is now in much better balance.
Ross has mad big strides in his two draft periods (one of which he entered late).
Overall I would also rate it's talent (actual and potential) as having increased.
Yes we still lack a really tall defender.....but this is not needed against most teams...and with GTrain back at FF....Kosi or possibly Rix can play back if a tall defensive option is required.
The Young Miles evidently has a very good leap...and who knows the young Allen may well have grown another cm or two.
Dempster is 192cm...and so provides another option fora third tall defender or even key defender.
We certainly don't want Max retiring for hopefully two seasons though...
Ross has mad big strides in his two draft periods (one of which he entered late).
Overall I would also rate it's talent (actual and potential) as having increased.
Yes we still lack a really tall defender.....but this is not needed against most teams...and with GTrain back at FF....Kosi or possibly Rix can play back if a tall defensive option is required.
The Young Miles evidently has a very good leap...and who knows the young Allen may well have grown another cm or two.
Dempster is 192cm...and so provides another option fora third tall defender or even key defender.
We certainly don't want Max retiring for hopefully two seasons though...
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arent kosi and roo good enough for you??st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i does look as though we are lacking in the big defender dept but if the development of the younger guys in that possition comes along well and we are able o get a servicable year out of maxy we do look to be in ok shape for the future ... although i feel give it another 3 years we will be crying for anothe big quallity forward ..
geeze i hope one of these big lads weve picked up in the draft can step up and become and impacting player in the next 2 years
a few teams would be happy with just one of them...
"It's a work in progress," Lyon said.
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kosi and roo are great !!! but in 3 years time we would want to be looking at the future of the club kosi and Roo will be still our focal points but it would b better to get a kid to learn the role under them and be hitting his straps at the time they are whinding down as aposed to the current situation we have down backSaints Premiers 2006 wrote:arent kosi and roo good enough for you??st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i does look as though we are lacking in the big defender dept but if the development of the younger guys in that possition comes along well and we are able o get a servicable year out of maxy we do look to be in ok shape for the future ... although i feel give it another 3 years we will be crying for anothe big quallity forward ..
geeze i hope one of these big lads weve picked up in the draft can step up and become and impacting player in the next 2 years
a few teams would be happy with just one of them...
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Does anyone else think that with gilberts takling abilities mean he can be a great 3rd back? That being said we still need to get a full back for when max retires or is injured! A genuine full back + s fisher + gilbert + gram and a clarke + attard = fantastic backline. Which we have atm but we need depth and max might only have 1-2 years left in him.
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understood however a lot of water has to go under the bridge between now and thenst_Trav_ofWA wrote:kosi and roo are great !!! but in 3 years time we would want to be looking at the future of the club kosi and Roo will be still our focal points but it would b better to get a kid to learn the role under them and be hitting his straps at the time they are whinding down as aposed to the current situation we have down backSaints Premiers 2006 wrote:arent kosi and roo good enough for you??st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i does look as though we are lacking in the big defender dept but if the development of the younger guys in that possition comes along well and we are able o get a servicable year out of maxy we do look to be in ok shape for the future ... although i feel give it another 3 years we will be crying for anothe big quallity forward ..
geeze i hope one of these big lads weve picked up in the draft can step up and become and impacting player in the next 2 years
a few teams would be happy with just one of them...
and both kosi and roo will be 27...at the peak of their powers
we have 3 drafts to groom a key forward or two cause undoubtably one or both will have extended time on the pine due to injury (only natural)
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the best way to get an understanding of how good (or bad) that list is would be to compare it to a few other sides
pehaps geelong, sydney, west coast, western bulldogs, melbourne and richmond
the top side from 2007, the most succsessful clubs of recent, a similar positioned club, a club that was similar to us for many year which has fallen away and the bottom side for 2007
ill do a few of the teams just to give an indication of where we are at
pehaps geelong, sydney, west coast, western bulldogs, melbourne and richmond
the top side from 2007, the most succsessful clubs of recent, a similar positioned club, a club that was similar to us for many year which has fallen away and the bottom side for 2007
ill do a few of the teams just to give an indication of where we are at
Injury free we have flexibility.
But as usual that remains a big if.
Goddard is a midfield option, but also a defender/ medium forward option.
Kozi is a key forward who is a ruck option and a very reliable key back option.
depth in the back 6 is the big worry, goddard and Kozi are blokes who are far better utilised elsewhere, but if necessary can help shore up this weakness.
But as usual that remains a big if.
Goddard is a midfield option, but also a defender/ medium forward option.
Kozi is a key forward who is a ruck option and a very reliable key back option.
depth in the back 6 is the big worry, goddard and Kozi are blokes who are far better utilised elsewhere, but if necessary can help shore up this weakness.
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There is no correct answer in your comparison SaintBot.
i.e. whilst our list may not compare favourably with Geelong's, for example, it may win us a premiership next year.
List management is not an exact thing, and is about constantly injecting new blood, axeing players who have been given an opportunity and striking a balance between player types.
I feel that since he has come on board, our coach has done that fairly well. I would give him an 8/10 for the changes he has made.
Great post st.M, really shows a nicely developing list, with a good group of youngsters who will come through in the next 3-4 years:
Armitage, Howard, Allen, Geary, Eddy, McEvoy and Steven must all be an excellent chance to play senior football for us at some stage.
i.e. whilst our list may not compare favourably with Geelong's, for example, it may win us a premiership next year.
List management is not an exact thing, and is about constantly injecting new blood, axeing players who have been given an opportunity and striking a balance between player types.
I feel that since he has come on board, our coach has done that fairly well. I would give him an 8/10 for the changes he has made.
Great post st.M, really shows a nicely developing list, with a good group of youngsters who will come through in the next 3-4 years:
Armitage, Howard, Allen, Geary, Eddy, McEvoy and Steven must all be an excellent chance to play senior football for us at some stage.
They should only play AFL games now when it's raining. Slow games of footy are so much better to watch.
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haha im pretty sure i could give it a go!Otiman wrote:Good looking, hey?
Could one of our female members give 1 to 10 ratings for each of our players looks?
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Just a suggestion, but if king is out of the ruck during a game would we put him down back or just put him on the bench? Considering his height, i thought at times he might come in handy.
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