skeptic wrote:
SRS - while i agree with you overall ur point RE Hall, Everite, Black, Fiora is silly... what about
Jones
Peckett
Powell
whose careers he ressurected and even Gehrig, Guerra, Black and Ackland who played their best seasons of football under GT... Gueera and Black most notably play WEAK football ATM
Each coach has plays that develop under them and others peak and decline in performance
Look I agree that each coach has his successes...but my comments were made to debunk the myth that GT was EXCEPTIONAL or OUTSTANDING with managing players.........and the argument by some that he should be back at the club for this reason....
He was not outstanding in this area....and was not "great"....he had his successes and failures and IMO was not better than an average AFL coach in this regard. And indeed his track record with rough diamonds was not good....
if he was outstanding then he should have out-performed at turning rough diamonds around which he clearly did not do.
However having said that I don't really see how GT resurrected the careers of Jones, Powell and Pecket. age wise all were in their prime years under GT and so you would expect good footy from them.
Melbourne dumping Powell stunned many at the time and the PSD allowed us to grab him
Statistically he had his best footbal before he joined us bit yes had two great years with us. He was already a good footballer and his career was not resurrected.
Frankie Pecket..cannot follow you there at all.....97 and 98 weere his best years and best Browlow vote years as well...GT was not his coach then...
Jones...yes fair call as he always struggled post 97 fame with drink, the casion etc..
Powell
Year Team No. Games (W-D-L) Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Bhd H.O. Tack FrF FrA BM
1997 Western Bulldogs 29 3 (2-0-1) 25 16 8 33 2 2
1998 Western Bulldogs 29 6 (3-0-3) 48 11 38 86 3 3 13 5 2
1999 Western Bulldogs 29 21 (14-1-6) 249 92 157 406 16 16 27 12 25 4
2000 Melbourne 7 25 (16-0-9) 339 109 240 579 32 20 1 29 20 22 3
2002 Melbourne 7 19 (11-0-8) 184 59 147 331 11 7 3 32 13 10 3
2003 St Kilda 17 22 (11-0-11) 256 117 202 458 17 10 1 45 9 14 3
2004 St Kilda 17 20 (14-0-6) 199 65 146 345 9 6 58 12 14 3
2005 St Kilda 17 16 (11-0-5) 115 50 149 264 4 5 46 17 14
2006 St Kilda 17 10 (7-0-3) 70 36 67 137 3 29 8 13
Totals 142 (89-1-52) 1485 555 1154 2639 94 72 5 279 96 114 16
High 24 10 19 35 4 4 2 7 3 6
Jones
Year Team No. Games (W-D-L) Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Bhd H.O. Tack FrF FrA BM
1995 St Kilda 29 19 (6-0-13) 134 33 82 216 10 7 20
1996 St Kilda 29 22 (10-0-12) 259 75 129 388 25 25 22 1
1997 St Kilda 5 25 (17-0-8) 323 77 167 490 22 9 32 5
1998 St Kilda 5 23 (13-0-10) 238 63 101 339 23 13 32 14 18 1
1999 St Kilda 5 19 (7-0-12) 180 72 82 262 12 18 18 11 15 2
2000 St Kilda 5 17 (2-1-14) 182 47 60 242 9 7 18 5 15 1
2001 St Kilda 5 16 (2-0-14) 206 46 80 286 4 3 20 15 11 5
2002 St Kilda 5 16 (4-1-11) 208 46 95 303 6 2 12 4 3 2
2003 St Kilda 5 22 (11-0-11) 317 85 108 425 7 3 1 30 11 9 3
2004 St Kilda 5 25 (17-0-8) 346 85 120 466 3 6 37 7 13 11
2005 St Kilda 5 22 (14-0-8) 252 73 93 345 6 3 31 7 14 1
Totals 226 (103-2-121) 2645 702 1117 3762 127 96 1 272 74 98 32
High 22 10 12 30 5 4 1 6 2 3
Year Team No. Games (W-D-L) Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Bhd H.O. Tack FrF FrA BM
1992 St Kilda 53 1 (1-0-0)
1993 St Kilda 29 18 (10-0-8) 120 27 107 227 57 1
1994 St Kilda 29 19 (6-1-12) 161 52 131 292 1 38
1995 St Kilda 8 18 (6-0-12) 154 49 107 261 3 32 1
1996 St Kilda 1 15 (4-0-11) 116 32 51 167 1 16 1
1997 St Kilda 1 25 (17-0-8) 269 83 143 412 2 3 38 4
1998 St Kilda 1 21 (12-0-9) 216 93 100 316 5 3 35 7 17 4
1999 St Kilda 1 20 (10-0-10) 185 72 99 284 4 1 12 11 16 1
2000 St Kilda 1 14 (1-0-13) 138 39 68 206 6 2 15 9 13
2001 St Kilda 1 19 (3-0-16) 157 70 89 246 3 29 11 11
2002 St Kilda 1 19 (5-1-13) 181 85 115 296 6 8 42 14 13
2003 St Kilda 1 15 (5-0-10) 124 71 56 180 10 4 21 6 5
2004 St Kilda 1 11 (9-0-2) 80 45 47 127 3 2 24 1 6
2005 St Kilda 1 20 (14-0-6) 184 93 111 295 6 32 10 17
2006 St Kilda 1 17 (11-0-6) 159 83 66 225 3 3 2 32 3 15
Totals 252 (114-2-136) 2244 894 1290 3534 50 29 2 423 72 113 12
High 21 13 14 29 3 2 1 7 4 5
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