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Recruiting priorities
RL has said he is after a small forward and a midfielder - just who is out there to chase? I expect he wants someone with a little bit of experience, but I think the stocks are pretty thin...within the club Armitage may develop, I think McQ is at the crossroads, possibly Jones may fit in the forward/ onball category as there's no doubt he should improve when he fully gets over his shoulder injury from this season.
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Possible Small Forwards
Leigh Harding
Russell Robertson (untill he signed)
Kayne Pettifer
Mark Williams
Alan Didak
Aaron Davey
Ash McGrath
Andrew Krakouer
Adam Schneider (dont know if he has been linked to any trades)
Steven Armstrong (delisted)
Ben Ross (Trained with us before being picked up by the kangaroos in the psd)
Mitch Hahn
Rhan Hooper
Andrew Lovett
Krakouer is proabably the easiest of all of them to get, apart from Armstrong whos been delisted i think.
Would love it if we got Mark Williams as long as his knees have life in them
Leigh Harding
Russell Robertson (untill he signed)
Kayne Pettifer
Mark Williams
Alan Didak
Aaron Davey
Ash McGrath
Andrew Krakouer
Adam Schneider (dont know if he has been linked to any trades)
Steven Armstrong (delisted)
Ben Ross (Trained with us before being picked up by the kangaroos in the psd)
Mitch Hahn
Rhan Hooper
Andrew Lovett
Krakouer is proabably the easiest of all of them to get, apart from Armstrong whos been delisted i think.
Would love it if we got Mark Williams as long as his knees have life in them
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It depends on what is meant by 'small forward'.
Milne is a small forward.
Mark Williams is a small forward.
Ryan O'Keefe is a small forward.
Nick Davis is a small forward.
Alan Didak is a small forward.
Daniel Chick can play as a small forward.
However, all of these guys play differently. Some are 'lead and mark' small forwards, some are 'defensive' small forwards, some are 'crumbing' small forwards.
The term 'small forward' is very broad, and doesn't really relate to the physical stature of the player.
It sickens me to say it, but Paul Chapman is as rounded as a small forward can get.
His chronic staging aside, he plays the 'mark and lead' role well, plays the 'crumbing' role well and his defensive pressure is fantastic.
Of the 'small forwards' listed above, only Harding and Didak are any good.
The problem with Harding, is that his goal kicking is horrible - and he may lose pace due to his reco although these days that doesn't seem to be a problem in knee recoveries.
You know who I think would make a fantastic small forward?
Steven Baker.
The problem is that he has too much value up the ground.
Milne is a small forward.
Mark Williams is a small forward.
Ryan O'Keefe is a small forward.
Nick Davis is a small forward.
Alan Didak is a small forward.
Daniel Chick can play as a small forward.
However, all of these guys play differently. Some are 'lead and mark' small forwards, some are 'defensive' small forwards, some are 'crumbing' small forwards.
The term 'small forward' is very broad, and doesn't really relate to the physical stature of the player.
It sickens me to say it, but Paul Chapman is as rounded as a small forward can get.
His chronic staging aside, he plays the 'mark and lead' role well, plays the 'crumbing' role well and his defensive pressure is fantastic.
Of the 'small forwards' listed above, only Harding and Didak are any good.
The problem with Harding, is that his goal kicking is horrible - and he may lose pace due to his reco although these days that doesn't seem to be a problem in knee recoveries.
You know who I think would make a fantastic small forward?
Steven Baker.
The problem is that he has too much value up the ground.
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I agree with Rodger, Baker could be a good small forward, in that he applies great pressure, I suppose in a similar way that Matthew Bode did at Adelaide when he was fit.
Perhaps a rotation of Baker, Armitage, and X.Clark through the midfield and as small forwards could be an option if we are unable to get a target that we want during trade week.
Perhaps a rotation of Baker, Armitage, and X.Clark through the midfield and as small forwards could be an option if we are unable to get a target that we want during trade week.
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I agree...
IMO Bakes would be the perfect FP for our forward line. He could bring the hardness and tackling pressure that we lack up forward as well as release pressure of other small forwards...just needs a bit of creative thinking ion behalf of our coaches and not 'pidgeon holing' players to set positions.rodgerfox wrote:
You know who I think would make a fantastic small forward?
Steven Baker.
The problem is that he has too much value up the ground.
Attard/L.Fisher/McQualter/Birss can fill Bakers tagging position.
Goddard/Fergusson & the Clarkes should be developed as our lacking HFF goal kickers...
The other thing I would like to see with soemone with a bit of mongrel get hold of ROO and have him start imposing himself on backlines...
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By "small" forward I don't think the club means another Milne...as we javae Milne..
They actually probably mean a medium type to replace Hamill and Voss (and Sweeney).
More of a HF thana small FP....
in 2008....
Midfielder ... Roo .... HalfForward we do not have??
Allen .... Kosi .... Milne
I think allen is a likely type as he is lot more mobile that Watts or Brooks...and if Kosi is to play at FF then you do not want 2 big lumbering types with the amount of run in the game these days.
Perhaps Gram could become the HF that we need and crave..????
He has dash and flash...and is a booming kick.....GET the ball to him anywhere inside of 65 m and he can havea ping.
Hs pace will allow him to create space to run into for the mids to pass to him...
So
L Fisher Max Gilbert
S Fisher Goose BJ
Fiora Hayes Joey
Gram Roo X (Midfielder on rotation)
Allen Kosi Milne
Gardiner Dal Ball
Harvey Raph Armo Rix(or recruited ruck)
Baker to come in post suspension.
Draft/ trades...to be mainly for our future...but with say one ready to play player picked up.... Wood? Sherman?
They actually probably mean a medium type to replace Hamill and Voss (and Sweeney).
More of a HF thana small FP....
in 2008....
Midfielder ... Roo .... HalfForward we do not have??
Allen .... Kosi .... Milne
I think allen is a likely type as he is lot more mobile that Watts or Brooks...and if Kosi is to play at FF then you do not want 2 big lumbering types with the amount of run in the game these days.
Perhaps Gram could become the HF that we need and crave..????
He has dash and flash...and is a booming kick.....GET the ball to him anywhere inside of 65 m and he can havea ping.
Hs pace will allow him to create space to run into for the mids to pass to him...
So
L Fisher Max Gilbert
S Fisher Goose BJ
Fiora Hayes Joey
Gram Roo X (Midfielder on rotation)
Allen Kosi Milne
Gardiner Dal Ball
Harvey Raph Armo Rix(or recruited ruck)
Baker to come in post suspension.
Draft/ trades...to be mainly for our future...but with say one ready to play player picked up.... Wood? Sherman?
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If he wants to come home he will have to play in the VFL for Tasmania or Hawthorn 3 times a year.barks4eva wrote:Oh When the Saints wrote:Justin Sherman is another one to look at.
Sherman is definitely worth getting, wants to come home and imho he will be a great pickup if we can get him
Definitely not for pick 9 but anything after that and I'd say welcome
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saintsRrising wrote:Perhaps Gram could become the HF that we need and crave..????
Gram should be played as a wingman and playing him anywhere else is neglecful numbnut nuffyism
he gets exposed overhead in defence
we need his run, but it would be better served from the wing
that's just they way it is, not even worthy of a imho
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A Steve Johnson type of forward is exactly what we need. That size between a Roo/Kosi and a Milne, difficult to match up on as he has some size and pace, and can bob up with 4+ goals a game as he did in the GF.
Obviously Steve Johnson is off limits, but that kind of player is what we desperately need- even more so now Hamill, Voss et al are gone...
Obviously Steve Johnson is off limits, but that kind of player is what we desperately need- even more so now Hamill, Voss et al are gone...
barks4eva wrote:saintsRrising wrote:Perhaps Gram could become the HF that we need and crave..????
Gram should be played as a wingman and playing him anywhere else is neglecful numbnut nuffyism
he gets exposed overhead in defence
we need his run, but it would be better served from the wing
that's just they way it is, not even worthy of a imho
If Lyon can't figure this out then I might have to do a letter drop
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Only trouble is.....no club really plays anyone as a wingman these days...barks4eva wrote:
Gram should be played as a wingman and playing him anywhere else is neglecful numbnut nuffyism
he gets exposed overhead in defence
we need his run, but it would be better served from the wing
that's just they way it is, not even worthy of a imho
If Lyon can't figure this out then I might have to do a letter drop
The wings are really just extra mids....and have to run all over the place....and even take there time at some inside work...ie have athink of how and where Fiora played in 2007.
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Johnson is the new model (a good one) and Ryan O'Keefe is another variation. Pettifer would also have been good. I'd just like to see Ferguson TRIED as a HFF as he is the right (in-between) size, can mark and can kick goals. Just for gods sake give him a trial in the pre-season games at least. He was an U/18 AA forward when we recruited him and all they have tried him as is as a HBF - go figure!
Agree with B4E on moving Gram to the mid-field so we can have his run and get some goals kicked by mid-fielders more often.
Agree with B4E on moving Gram to the mid-field so we can have his run and get some goals kicked by mid-fielders more often.
Rodgerfox if you don't rate Ryan O'Keefe as a good player then you're off with the pixies my friend.rodgerfox wrote:It depends on what is meant by 'small forward'.
Ryan O'Keefe is a small forward.
Of the 'small forwards' listed above, only Harding and Didak are any good.
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He would be a perfect foil/alternate for Riewoldt on the half forward line. Ask RL, he I'm sure would give his left nut to have him at playing his home games at the sheltered workshop.