no apology for Peter Bruckner?
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no apology for Peter Bruckner?
While we all pay tribute to Aaron Hamill. I'm amazed that not one apology has appeared on this forum from any of those people who last year, when Dr. Peter Bruckner had the temerity to suggest that Hamill's injury could be career-ending, proceeded to pour out a torrent of abuse at this man, "media whore" was one of the repeated insults. It appears that many here have not the slightest hint of good grace and are not prepared to admit they were wrong and apologise. Shame on you!
He is a media whore.
He is not the doctor of Hamill and got lucky. He also said that Kosi was finished.
Was he correct on that one?
I take it from this that you are suggesting that the surgeon who operated on Hamill is a fraud because he didn't tak Bruckners opinion, or worse he knew Hamills knee was no good and defrauded the club of money by needlessly operating on Hamill?
If so please put your name and address on here so the forum administrator knows where to send the solicitors letter.
So no apology for the Media Whore. He didn't have a clue and just guessed.
Should have his licience revoked and become a media performer if he wants the limelight.
He is not the doctor of Hamill and got lucky. He also said that Kosi was finished.
Was he correct on that one?
I take it from this that you are suggesting that the surgeon who operated on Hamill is a fraud because he didn't tak Bruckners opinion, or worse he knew Hamills knee was no good and defrauded the club of money by needlessly operating on Hamill?
If so please put your name and address on here so the forum administrator knows where to send the solicitors letter.
So no apology for the Media Whore. He didn't have a clue and just guessed.
Should have his licience revoked and become a media performer if he wants the limelight.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
You have no point.plumtire wrote:You illustrate my point perfectly!
You asked why no apology and you got a reason.
Not what you wanted?
Stiff.
Bruckner is a media whore, through and through.
Are you Peter Bruckner? Or do you just do his bidding?
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Oh and a PM from the clown OP.
Trying to get the moral high ground critisising spelling with this
"No "i" in "license" by the way!"
Can anybody else see the screaming irony in the above statement.
Piss off Bruckner and go whore yourself about on radio
Kosi still finished you twat?
Trying to get the moral high ground critisising spelling with this
"No "i" in "license" by the way!"
Can anybody else see the screaming irony in the above statement.
Piss off Bruckner and go whore yourself about on radio
Kosi still finished you twat?
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Come opn you twat, give out your name.
If you reckon the surgeon who operated on Hamill defrauded the club.
Come on Pete. Hows about it?
Hows Kosi going whoreboy?
If you reckon the surgeon who operated on Hamill defrauded the club.
Come on Pete. Hows about it?
Hows Kosi going whoreboy?
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
no apology for Peter Bruckner?
The point I made was that people like you with NO medical background poured out abuse from the safety of a personal computer and your response to this post illustrates your ignorance!
Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
What right did Bruckner have to diagnose somebody elses patient?plumtire wrote:The point I made was that people like you with NO medical background poured out abuse from the safety of a personal computer and your response to this post illustrates your ignorance!
You are a pointless twat.
How do you know I have no medical qualifications?
Why is Kosi still running about when Bruckner said he was finished?
Cabbage
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
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Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
And where do you get off apologising to Bruckner on behalf of this Forum as you have done on the other thread?plumtire wrote:
You cant help yourself can you?
no apology for Peter Bruckner?
OK putting all the banter aside, the guy was proved right about Hammill and was given no credit for it. As far as I'm concerned the guy was expressing an opinion (from an informed background in sports medicine) and the levels of abuse he copped for it were disgraceful. It was only an opinion after all, but some of you would rather shoot the messenger.
The abuse I'm copping just proves my point so I'm taking no further part in this nonesense
The abuse I'm copping just proves my point so I'm taking no further part in this nonesense
the point is if you throw enough opinions around some will be right.
Has Brucknor apologized for getting Kosi so wrong?
Making this call was always going to be 50/50, anyone, even without medical knowledge, could have made the call and had a 50% chance of being correct.
My beef is that these media docs make big calls without personally examining the patient. In my opinion that definitely makes them "media whores". When they are in the media they are part of the media. When they are in their offices working as docs they would never offer a diagnosis and prognosis without a history and thorough physical examination. Why would you accept their opinions when they have not had the opportunity to do this?
They can speak in generalizations, I can accept that. But until I hear from the medico treating the player, or the player themself, it will only be a generalization , not a diagnosis
Has Brucknor apologized for getting Kosi so wrong?
Making this call was always going to be 50/50, anyone, even without medical knowledge, could have made the call and had a 50% chance of being correct.
My beef is that these media docs make big calls without personally examining the patient. In my opinion that definitely makes them "media whores". When they are in the media they are part of the media. When they are in their offices working as docs they would never offer a diagnosis and prognosis without a history and thorough physical examination. Why would you accept their opinions when they have not had the opportunity to do this?
They can speak in generalizations, I can accept that. But until I hear from the medico treating the player, or the player themself, it will only be a generalization , not a diagnosis
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Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
My opinion is that Robert Harvey will retire next year.plumtire wrote:OK putting all the banter aside, the guy was proved right about Hammill and was given no credit for it. As far as I'm concerned the guy was expressing an opinion (from an informed background in sports medicine) and the levels of abuse he copped for it were disgraceful. It was only an opinion after all, but some of you would rather shoot the messenger.
The abuse I'm copping just proves my point so I'm taking no further part in this nonesense
He has a degenerative condition generally known as 'aging'.
It is career ending.
I expect full recognition and a thread of my own when my prediction is proven to be correct.
Thank you for your time.
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docsaint wrote:the point is if you throw enough opinions around some will be right.
Has Brucknor apologized for getting Kosi so wrong?
Making this call was always going to be 50/50, anyone, even without medical knowledge, could have made the call and had a 50% chance of being correct.
My beef is that these media docs make big calls without personally examining the patient. In my opinion that definitely makes them "media whores". When they are in the media they are part of the media. When they are in their offices working as docs they would never offer a diagnosis and prognosis without a history and thorough physical examination. Why would you accept their opinions when they have not had the opportunity to do this?
They can speak in generalizations, I can accept that. But until I hear from the medico treating the player, or the player themself, it will only be a generalization , not a diagnosis
Indeed.....
I spoke with an ex Saints Club Doc about a number of players injuries not long agao.
With Hamill's knee which is now bone on bone the problem is that NO ONE can accurately say if he can play or not....not the Doctors and not Hamill himself.
Though evidently his knees are bad enough that he will eventually have to have full knee reconstructions..but whether that is ina few years time or a decade or two is not known.
Physically he can actually play a game...BUT then it may or may not blow up with fluid and soreness.. hence he may not be able to train or play the following week or weeks.....but then again he may be able too... Sometimes he will feel like he can play ata high level...other times he cannot.
So in some ways Hamill is in limbo. He could possibly play....but then he may not.
Problems is that the number of players that you can have on a list is limited.....so Hamill staying on a list (as he is a fantastic player IF he can play)....is just likely to be too low a return.....too risky that he cannot take the field.
So in the best interests of the club it is time to move on.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
plumtire wrote:While we all pay tribute to Aaron Hamill. I'm amazed that not one apology has appeared on this forum from any of those people who last year, when Dr. Peter Bruckner had the temerity to suggest that Hamill's injury could be career-ending, proceeded to pour out a torrent of abuse at this man, "media whore" was one of the repeated insults. It appears that many here have not the slightest hint of good grace and are not prepared to admit they were wrong and apologise. Shame on you!
apologise..????what to a f-wit that earns his money on giving supposedly medical opinions on players he has never examined......if that is not the ultimate definition of a media whore i don't know what is......ffs.....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
[quote="rodgerfox"][/quote]
My opinion is that Robert Harvey will retire next year.
He has a degenerative condition generally known as 'aging'.
It is career ending.
I expect full recognition and a thread of my own when my prediction is proven to be correct.
Thank you for your time.[/quote]
You've just ruined my day RF!
I thought the legend of Harvey would live on forever or until we at least won a cup!!
Your not some "mediaforumwhore" with an ageist bias are you?
My opinion is that Robert Harvey will retire next year.
He has a degenerative condition generally known as 'aging'.
It is career ending.
I expect full recognition and a thread of my own when my prediction is proven to be correct.
Thank you for your time.[/quote]
You've just ruined my day RF!
I thought the legend of Harvey would live on forever or until we at least won a cup!!
Your not some "mediaforumwhore" with an ageist bias are you?
I'm loving this - underdogs at 3 to 1, grand final experience in our favor and Pies over confident. Go Saints - I'm loading up!
Re: no apology for Peter Bruckner?
Er, Aaron played a VFL game mid-season and bagged four goals. So the knee injury didn't end his career right then. I'm pretty sure that Bruckner said he wouldn't play again..... so.......plumtire wrote:...... when Dr. Peter Bruckner had the temerity to suggest that Hamill's injury could be career-ending.............
Anyway, it seems to me that part of a media doc's role should be to remind all of us of the imperfect science that is medical practice rather than grandstanding with big statements that are pretty much unprovable at that moment in time. Gazing into crystal balls isn't actually part of medical training. Giving reasoned prognoses is.
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Hey docsaint !!docsaint wrote:I don't post often, but usually do on medical stuff (general info as I have no inside info)
Been a gp for 11 years you tosser
Run away now you are making a complete fool of yourself.
Check my previous posts if you like
You don't have to prove yourself around here. That is unless those who wish to attack your credibility don't know your history of medical accuracy on here.
If I wanted to be like Brukner and go out on a limb, I would say that that 7 hamstring injuries in less that 10 months would spell the end for a 35 year old Nathan Buckley. And NO, I don't have a doctorate in Medicine
I remember very well the discussions we had on Kosi's skull injury, but I ain't going lookin for them !!