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Yet to prove he is even AFL quality yet alone future star. Should get another year just for the fact that he was pushing for selection at the end of the season, but season 2 will need to be a lot better than season one for him to be kept on after that.
Does anyone know if we elevate him do we have to give him 2 years like a kid from the draft or can we sign him for one?
Does anyone know if we elevate him do we have to give him 2 years like a kid from the draft or can we sign him for one?
Maybe this year?
Can get one year.rexy wrote:Yet to prove he is even AFL quality yet alone future star. Should get another year just for the fact that he was pushing for selection at the end of the season, but season 2 will need to be a lot better than season one for him to be kept on after that.
Does anyone know if we elevate him do we have to give him 2 years like a kid from the draft or can we sign him for one?
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That includes giving all players on the list a chance to show what they can do at AFL level. I wouldn't be unhappy to see Riewoldt or Kosi given a run with Casey so that Brooks and Van Rheenan get some games under their belts.plugger66 wrote:Agreed shouldnt be off the ground other players like Lenny and Dal should also come off. Give all players a go.woooosaints wrote:maybe if he didnt spend 50 percent of the time on the bench and didnt break his collar boneRiewoldting wrote:What, all 59 of them?woooosaints wrote:40 percent of his disposals this season were contested ball
40 per cent of F*** all is still F*** all.
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Jones is an interesting one, he definitely showed promise before breaking his collarbone, but as Barry Brooks knows, one game does not maketh a career.
Personally, i'd get rid of him as we need to recycle three rookies, either by promotion or delisting, and he seems to have the least upside out of himself, Geary and Eddy. But hey, i'm just a lackie that doesn't get the luxury of sitting behind the glass at Telstra Dome week in, week out.
He will not be retained as a Rookie, either promoted or delisted. I believe it will come down to attitude in the end.
Personally, i'd get rid of him as we need to recycle three rookies, either by promotion or delisting, and he seems to have the least upside out of himself, Geary and Eddy. But hey, i'm just a lackie that doesn't get the luxury of sitting behind the glass at Telstra Dome week in, week out.
He will not be retained as a Rookie, either promoted or delisted. I believe it will come down to attitude in the end.
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The thing you are all forgetting with Jones is that he is a rookie, who cannot be given another year as a rookie because of his age. He has to be promoted or let go. He is not good enough to be promoted. When playing for the Scorpions, how often did he get amongst our best. And he was never B.O.G. Geary and Eddy should be promoted before him, they both have more upside, and are at least 4 - 5 years younger. Let him go.
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Poor old CJones, get real guys..go and break a collar bone, let it heal a bit and see how confident you are a couple of months later smashing into packs as a small player..Jones will do well for us in 2008. Showed promising form pre-injury, tackled better than some of our much vaunted middle size players and contested and ran hard..probably why a coach would like him.
his disposal rate is less than 50% efficient.
he struggles to mark, kick and handpass in the seniors.
now it MIGHT be a case of stagefright as he seems to go ok in the reserves by all accounts.
to date he has been terrible in the seniors, but if we gave him time i wouldn't be unhappy.
but PLEASE NOT IN THE SENIORS till he is ready.
he struggles to mark, kick and handpass in the seniors.
now it MIGHT be a case of stagefright as he seems to go ok in the reserves by all accounts.
to date he has been terrible in the seniors, but if we gave him time i wouldn't be unhappy.
but PLEASE NOT IN THE SENIORS till he is ready.
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All of this stuff about how he can improve his disposal under pressure, etc. is all very well and fine.
But, in footballing terms, he's as old as Methuselah. It's too late.
If it's a question of his first needing to lift his confidence, and then his skills will follow, I suppose he could be given the benefit of the doubt and be signed for one season as plugger66 suggested.
In my book, the jury is still out on Lyon as a coach. But his comment late in the season that he thought "Jones is in our top 22" was one of two public statements by the man which have given me a sinking feeling about our future prospects.
(The other was the never-to-be-forgotten "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come here" piece of gutless weaselling at the start of the season.)
But, in footballing terms, he's as old as Methuselah. It's too late.
If it's a question of his first needing to lift his confidence, and then his skills will follow, I suppose he could be given the benefit of the doubt and be signed for one season as plugger66 suggested.
In my book, the jury is still out on Lyon as a coach. But his comment late in the season that he thought "Jones is in our top 22" was one of two public statements by the man which have given me a sinking feeling about our future prospects.
(The other was the never-to-be-forgotten "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come here" piece of gutless weaselling at the start of the season.)
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Exactly. He's had his chance, and we thank him for his services.mad saint guy wrote:Can't kick, can't take possession of the footy, can't cope with pressure, can't make a tackle stick and is just a terrible footballer. Should never play for us again, but Lyon is in love with him so I think he will probably play at least 12 games next year.
But he should delisted asap.
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i dont think he was saying jones was in our 22 just trying to let him prove myself and for a 1st year rookie list player regardless of his age i think he played greatmeher baba wrote:All of this stuff about how he can improve his disposal under pressure, etc. is all very well and fine.
But, in footballing terms, he's as old as Methuselah. It's too late.
If it's a question of his first needing to lift his confidence, and then his skills will follow, I suppose he could be given the benefit of the doubt and be signed for one season as plugger66 suggested.
In my book, the jury is still out on Lyon as a coach. But his comment late in the season that he thought "Jones is in our top 22" was one of two public statements by the man which have given me a sinking feeling about our future prospects.
(The other was the never-to-be-forgotten "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come here" piece of gutless weaselling at the start of the season.)
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Not even his own mother would have claimed he "played great" upon his return to the side after injury.woooosaints wrote:i dont think he was saying jones was in our 22 just trying to let him prove myself and for a 1st year rookie list player regardless of his age i think he played great
He is a poor kick, makes poor decisions, coughs up the pill with monotonous regularity, isn't as quick as he is touted to be, and gets few possessions.
Seriously, what is there to like about his footy? Back to the WAFL I'd suggest.
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Given that we're now up to 6 delistings, we've got spots for 3 rookie promotions if we want them as well as our draft picks.
Unless we see someone out there late in the draft (i.e. the next Sweeney), CJ isn't likely to take a list spot away that we're in dreadful need of.
I'm not convinced he won't improve. Regardless of age, nobody but an AFLer has experienced the speed and pressure of AFL football before they get there. I'd doubt that he'll ever be a great kick of the ball, but surely some time to adjust will do better than 59% eff.
Not part of the best 22 in a healthy side, but doesn't hurt us as depth, and can just be delisted next year if we need the list spot.
Unless we see someone out there late in the draft (i.e. the next Sweeney), CJ isn't likely to take a list spot away that we're in dreadful need of.
I'm not convinced he won't improve. Regardless of age, nobody but an AFLer has experienced the speed and pressure of AFL football before they get there. I'd doubt that he'll ever be a great kick of the ball, but surely some time to adjust will do better than 59% eff.
Not part of the best 22 in a healthy side, but doesn't hurt us as depth, and can just be delisted next year if we need the list spot.
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Brooks FFS, get rid of this nugget!
If he survives the chop, it will be the closest i go to not buying a membership. Its insulting how many chances he has had. If sweeney had the time brooks had, he would he at least won the vfl goal kicking or omething, Brooks is ordinary in the 2'sand its a travisty that he wasnt delisted before sweeney.
If he survives the chop, it will be the closest i go to not buying a membership. Its insulting how many chances he has had. If sweeney had the time brooks had, he would he at least won the vfl goal kicking or omething, Brooks is ordinary in the 2'sand its a travisty that he wasnt delisted before sweeney.
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how do you know he smokes?woooosaints wrote:if sweeney really wanted to be an afl footballer he would be instead he smokes isnt fit cant run out games in the vfl. he has attitude and disciplanary (spelling) problems he could of been great shame he didnt want to be
Can say i have known him for years, never seen him smoke..
attitude and discipline problems were an issue but he tried very hard after falling out of favour at the start of the year.
Quite frankly i have no bias towards him (despite knowing him) he probably should have got the chop, but why in F**ks name does brooks survive?
How fit is he?
How good is his attitude? 2 coache now have refused to play him regulaly.
How long has he had to become something?
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i thought he was a smoker my badfonz_#15 wrote:how do you know he smokes?woooosaints wrote:if sweeney really wanted to be an afl footballer he would be instead he smokes isnt fit cant run out games in the vfl. he has attitude and disciplanary (spelling) problems he could of been great shame he didnt want to be
Can say i have known him for years, never seen him smoke..
attitude and discipline problems were an issue but he tried very hard after falling out of favour at the start of the year.
Quite frankly i have no bias towards him (despite knowing him) he probably should have got the chop, but why in F**ks name does brooks survive?
How fit is he?
How good is his attitude? 2 coache now have refused to play him regulaly.
How long has he had to become something?