Apu wrote:
Just wondering who these rejected players were? Do you mean players that left because they were not getting a chance in their previous team?
Rejected GOPS means that their clubs chose to reject them and that they only promised to
be ordinary at best.........rather than the player choosing to leave.
Apu wrote:
eg Guerra, Fiora, Mcgough, Ackland, Knobel? If so the first three were not bad trades and if still at the club all would be on our 2008 list, Guerra and Fiora in our first 22.
Any one deal you can argue the virtues of....but there was a pattern of recruiting too many players with very little upside.
You can say yes we are now wise in hindsight....well a coach rises or falls by backing his judgement and how gooda lista he builds. GT consistently got it wrong.He says it was all delagted to JB...well that does not wash because it was his CHOICE to do so...if he failed to adequtely direct the type of player he wanted then that is still his failing.
Fiora while having underachieved had already played many good games....and so does not qualify as a reject. He obviously had the potential to be a lot more thana GOP. He now seems to be realising that potential.
Fiora was also a shot gun deal...and for this reason I think Gt failed to exploit him and he fealt somewhat "unloved". Ross ceratainly has built his confidence u.
Guerra you can argue about but PA got rid of him for attitude problems....which is the same reason why the saints rejected him.
Apu wrote:
Knobel was a 5th round pick, so no big loss. McGough is the only big mistake.
also why doesnt Gram fit into this same category?
Because Knoble was only ever going to be a GOP at best...Gram obviously had the potential to be a good player..
Gram chose to leave.....
Apu wrote:
As well as being homesick, he had only managed 2 games in 2 years thanks to Brisbane's gun midfield.
Also what about the trades for Brooks and Watts? how are they any different to the gram trade? both these guys were not rejected from their teams, yet they havent yet worked out . Perhaps you didnt mention these two guys because John Beveridge would have vouched for their ability, not GT?
The Watts trade in itself can look ok...BUT why recruit a specialist slow big forward when you already have Roo, Kosi, GTrain...and Brooks???? Particularly when you are deficient in other areas. This was the problem with the watts trade rather than Watts himself.
Brooks....whichever way you look at it...even through the most optimistic eyes....swapping TWO lowish draft picks for him was way overpriced. If his price had been more realistic then you could argue it wasa fair enough trade as they cannot all work....and at least Brooks hada good potential upside.
GT needed to be communicating to JB the type of player he wanted.....despite what some people say about Brooks I have always reagrded him asa ruck/forward more thana true No1 ruck type.
Maybe Gt should have given the nudge nudge wink wink to JB that:
*we were about to lose Powell, Peacket, Thommo and Harvey...and the game was changing so that you needed EVEN more mids...
So what did we have in the pipeline..ONLY Mini and McG. Go figure eh???
But sure go ahead and get ore key forwards than you can play...
*that with Penny going down...that someone else that could play FB would be handy
*that ruckmen need to be at least good to recruit.
It has said that GT didn't rate good ruckmen. Then WTF did he recruit Knoble, Sugar and Rix?????
Rix is GT's most puzzling pick...drafts the guy...and then ignores him.
Then states that Kosi is our ruck...BUT fails to give Kosi LOTS and LOTS of specialised ruck coaching. Kosi is on record this year as staing how much he has learnt from M Clarke. Wella bit of specilaided coaching over the previous two years may well have seen Kosi a lot more advanced now in his ruck skills.
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