Brooks vs Rix vs m Clarke
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Brooks vs Rix vs m Clarke
Keep hearing various opinions about who of these 3 would be best in the ruck for us.
So question to those who go to training...
I am assuming that there are ruck duels at training occassionally.
If so...of these 3....who wins the duels at training???
So question to those who go to training...
I am assuming that there are ruck duels at training occassionally.
If so...of these 3....who wins the duels at training???
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haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...The_Dud wrote:i don't go to training, but my opinion would be
ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks
disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke
effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
clarke? may have been good once.
effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?
brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.
concur rix>clarke.
but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke
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At least the lamp probably has an 'on' setting. Clarke's is well and truly rusted through.Dan Warna wrote:but rix > tall lampshade on wheels > clarke
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Brooks should be compared to G, Rooy and Kosi and thats why he doesnt get a game.Dan Warna wrote:haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...The_Dud wrote:i don't go to training, but my opinion would be
ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks
disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke
effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
clarke? may have been good once.
effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?
brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.
concur rix>clarke.
but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke
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i've seen all 3 play at VFL and AFL level, and in this thread i'm judging them as ruckmen, as was askedDan Warna wrote:haven't seen rix get a mention in the local rag or be in the best for scorps...The_Dud wrote:i don't go to training, but my opinion would be
ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks
disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke
effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
clarke? may have been good once.
effort? how can you judge if you haven't see the scorps? really?
brooks gets mention after mention for the past 3 months in the local rag.
concur rix>clarke.
but rix > tall lampshade on wheels>clarke
Rix has been in the best for the scorps a number of times, maybe not as many times as Brooks, but i'd say this is becasue hes spending more time playing at AFL level, unlike Brooks....
the last VFL game i saw us play against Tasmania, i saw Brooks flogged in the ruck a number of times by the nobody Tasmania ruckman
so to repeat myself (after seeing each play at AFL and VFL level)
effort - Rix > Clarke > Brooks
overall - Rix > Clarke > Brooks
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What is a GOP?Carl Mynott wrote:The fact we are trying to put 3 absolute GOP's in the correct order helps us all understand why we are battling for 8th spot and not battling for top spot.....
Point taken - Lets be honest with ourselves they are all hacks.
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According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
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If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the leagueevertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
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Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.saintsrule wrote:If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the leagueevertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
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yeh but he isn't even close to 29saintsrule wrote:If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the leagueevertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
fergo would be chilling on the half back line for carlton earning a cool 200 g's yearly
sweeney would be ahead of eddie betts who is terrible
jones would be 'tearing up the wings' in tandom with carrazzo
and barry brooks would be the first choice ruckmen ahead of the obviousy hackland...
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According to whom? I haven't seen a single post on here referring to them as 'jets' or saying that they're on the verge of being 'awesome players'. More often you see posts talking about how we're going to delist half the team because they're just not good enough.evertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.
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I've seen plenty. Plenty.vacuous space wrote:According to whom? I haven't seen a single post on here referring to them as 'jets' or saying that they're on the verge of being 'awesome players'. More often you see posts talking about how we're going to delist half the team because they're just not good enough.evertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.
I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.
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no team has a list like that.evertonfc wrote:
I've seen plenty. Plenty.
I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.
mid season wCE minus a few players were exposed.
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Competitive is the key word - not worldbeaters.Dan Warna wrote:no team has a list like that.evertonfc wrote:
I've seen plenty. Plenty.
I want a list that's competitve down to our 42nd player, not backended with dodgy 'project players' who coulda/shoulda/woulda but won't make it.
mid season wCE minus a few players were exposed.
You've missed the point entirely.
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I am saying if he WAS!! not that he isevertonfc wrote:Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.saintsrule wrote:If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the leagueevertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
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Yeah, I understand, but my above observations remain accurate.saintsrule wrote:I am saying if he WAS!! not that he isevertonfc wrote:Outside of some homework specials, given the fact Clarke was 22 in 1995, this is the most pointless post I have ever seen on this site.saintsrule wrote:If Clarke was still 22-29 he would be one of the best ruckman in the leagueevertonfc wrote:According to some, apparently Matthew Ferguson, Justin Sweeney, Clint Jones and Barry Brooks are all 'jets' or on the verge of being 'awesome players'...despite the fact they'd probably get delisted by Carlton right now.st.mart wrote:Yeah, 90 games in 10 seasons, he was a jet.......F*** we overrate players here.......anyone outside of St.K would remember him as a hack.....at best he was a back up to a young spida......at more often than not just a reserves player......Lazar was NO gun...
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The_Dud wrote:i don't go to training, but my opinion would be
ruck skills - Clarke > Rix > Brooks
disposal - Brooks > Rix > Clarke
effort - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
overall - Rix >Clarke > Brooks
Surely Ruck Skills and Disposel isnt of the same WORTH as effort.
Ruck Skills - 500 points
Disposal - 350 points
Effort - 8 points
Therefore overall it would be Brooks > Brooks > Brooks.
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Tapwork
1. Clarke - Wins most of his contests and usually puts it to the right spot. Our midfielders aren't used to this and the amount of times they run over/past the ball absolutely s***s me. 7/10
=2. Rix/Brooks. Rix has poor tapwork. Probably wins more contests than Brooks, but a higher percentage of Brooks' hitouts go to advantage. Neither are good tap ruckmen. 4/10
Around the ground contribution
1. Brooks - Has beautiful skills, is a strong contested mark and reads the play well. Can go forward and kick goals or fill a hole in defence. 7.5/10
2. Clarke - Doesn't get a lot of the ball, but his skills are ok and he generally positions himself well. Is absolutely useless at ground level though. 5/10
3. Rix - Poor kick, ordinary mark, poor reader of the play. Hardly touches the ball and lets his opponent run loose. 3/10
1. Clarke - Wins most of his contests and usually puts it to the right spot. Our midfielders aren't used to this and the amount of times they run over/past the ball absolutely s***s me. 7/10
=2. Rix/Brooks. Rix has poor tapwork. Probably wins more contests than Brooks, but a higher percentage of Brooks' hitouts go to advantage. Neither are good tap ruckmen. 4/10
Around the ground contribution
1. Brooks - Has beautiful skills, is a strong contested mark and reads the play well. Can go forward and kick goals or fill a hole in defence. 7.5/10
2. Clarke - Doesn't get a lot of the ball, but his skills are ok and he generally positions himself well. Is absolutely useless at ground level though. 5/10
3. Rix - Poor kick, ordinary mark, poor reader of the play. Hardly touches the ball and lets his opponent run loose. 3/10
So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.mad saint guy wrote:Tapwork
1. Clarke - Wins most of his contests and usually puts it to the right spot. Our midfielders aren't used to this and the amount of times they run over/past the ball absolutely s***s me. 7/10
=2. Rix/Brooks. Rix has poor tapwork. Probably wins more contests than Brooks, but a higher percentage of Brooks' hitouts go to advantage. Neither are good tap ruckmen. 4/10
Around the ground contribution
1. Brooks - Has beautiful skills, is a strong contested mark and reads the play well. Can go forward and kick goals or fill a hole in defence. 7.5/10
2. Clarke - Doesn't get a lot of the ball, but his skills are ok and he generally positions himself well. Is absolutely useless at ground level though. 5/10
3. Rix - Poor kick, ordinary mark, poor reader of the play. Hardly touches the ball and lets his opponent run loose. 3/10
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For comparisonsplugger66 wrote:So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.
Dean Cox
Tapwork - 9/10
Around the ground - 10/10
Jamie Charman
Tapwork - 7/10
Around the ground - 7.5/10
Darren Jolly
Tapwork - 8/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
David Hille
Tapwork - 6/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
Brendan Lade
Tapwork - 9.5/10
Around the ground - 6/10
Aaron Sandilands
Tapwork - 8.5/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
Cain Ackland
Tapwork - 4/10
Around the ground - 5/10
Josh Fraser
Tapwork - 5.5/10
Around the ground - 8/10
So around the ground Brooks who has played 8 games in 6 years is better thanmost ruckman. Please look through both eyes.mad saint guy wrote:For comparisonsplugger66 wrote:So we want a ruckman Clarke has it. I hope those points are against each other and not oyther players in the comp because they are way to high.
Dean Cox
Tapwork - 9/10
Around the ground - 10/10
Jamie Charman
Tapwork - 7/10
Around the ground - 7.5/10
Darren Jolly
Tapwork - 8/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
David Hille
Tapwork - 6/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
Brendan Lade
Tapwork - 9.5/10
Around the ground - 6/10
Aaron Sandilands
Tapwork - 8.5/10
Around the ground - 6.5/10
Cain Ackland
Tapwork - 4/10
Around the ground - 5/10
Josh Fraser
Tapwork - 5.5/10
Around the ground - 8/10