Just sent this email to the club
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Just sent this email to the club
Urgent Message to St.Kilda Football club President Rod
Butterss /Senior coach Ross Lyon/CEO Archie Fraser and
all St.Kilda Football Club board members.
As a long standing St.Kilda/ AFL member I would like
an assurance to all members that the club will
exercise its legal rights in relation to Stephen Baker
being required to front the tribunal to answer a rough
conduct charge.This case has no legal validity in the
absence of any video footage and will be based purely
on hearsay from the parties involved and 3rd party
witnesses.Given the extreme weakness this represents
legally the club must act and pursue all legal avenues if there is an unfavourable
finding to protect the intergrity of the player
involved, the St.Kilda Football club and the AFL as an credible
organisation.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Elliget.Mt.Martha.
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Lets absolutely flood the place with emails/phone calls /Faxes etc...the club needs to know that we feel very strongly about this farce and have expectations as members about the way the club should respond...
The fact this has even been refered to the Tribunal is beyond a joke and will test once a for all whether we as a club have the balls to stand up to these spineless, corrupt ba$tards
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Butterss /Senior coach Ross Lyon/CEO Archie Fraser and
all St.Kilda Football Club board members.
As a long standing St.Kilda/ AFL member I would like
an assurance to all members that the club will
exercise its legal rights in relation to Stephen Baker
being required to front the tribunal to answer a rough
conduct charge.This case has no legal validity in the
absence of any video footage and will be based purely
on hearsay from the parties involved and 3rd party
witnesses.Given the extreme weakness this represents
legally the club must act and pursue all legal avenues if there is an unfavourable
finding to protect the intergrity of the player
involved, the St.Kilda Football club and the AFL as an credible
organisation.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Elliget.Mt.Martha.
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Lets absolutely flood the place with emails/phone calls /Faxes etc...the club needs to know that we feel very strongly about this farce and have expectations as members about the way the club should respond...
The fact this has even been refered to the Tribunal is beyond a joke and will test once a for all whether we as a club have the balls to stand up to these spineless, corrupt ba$tards
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Re: Just sent this email to the club
Ur very smart ain't usaint patrick wrote:Urgent Message to St.Kilda Football club President Rod
Butterss /Senior coach Ross Lyon/CEO Archie Fraser and
all St.Kilda Football Club board members.
As a long standing St.Kilda/ AFL member I would like
an assurance to all members that the club will
exercise its legal rights in relation to Stephen Baker
being required to front the tribunal to answer a rough
conduct charge.This case has no legal validity in the
absence of any video footage and will be based purely
on hearsay from the parties involved and 3rd party
witnesses.Given the extreme weakness this represents
legally the club must act and pursue all legal avenues if there is an unfavourable
finding to protect the intergrity of the player
involved, the St.Kilda Football club and the AFL as an credible
organisation.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Elliget.Mt.Martha.
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Lets absolutely flood the place with emails/phone calls /Faxes etc...the club needs to know that we feel very strongly about this farce and have expectations as members about the way the club should respond...
The fact this has even been refered to the Tribunal is beyond a joke and will test once a for all whether we as a club have the balls to stand up to theses corrupt ba$tards
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Re: Just sent this email to the club
No... just very AngryLENNY LEADS THE WAY wrote:Ur very smart ain't usaint patrick wrote:Urgent Message to St.Kilda Football club President Rod
Butterss /Senior coach Ross Lyon/CEO Archie Fraser and
all St.Kilda Football Club board members.
As a long standing St.Kilda/ AFL member I would like
an assurance to all members that the club will
exercise its legal rights in relation to Stephen Baker
being required to front the tribunal to answer a rough
conduct charge.This case has no legal validity in the
absence of any video footage and will be based purely
on hearsay from the parties involved and 3rd party
witnesses.Given the extreme weakness this represents
legally the club must act and pursue all legal avenues if there is an unfavourable
finding to protect the intergrity of the player
involved, the St.Kilda Football club and the AFL as an credible
organisation.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Elliget.Mt.Martha.
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Lets absolutely flood the place with emails/phone calls /Faxes etc...the club needs to know that we feel very strongly about this farce and have expectations as members about the way the club should respond...
The fact this has even been refered to the Tribunal is beyond a joke and will test once a for all whether we as a club have the balls to stand up to theses corrupt ba$tards
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Never take a backward step even to gain momentum.....
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
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I just sent an email along similar lines to Pat
Those who don't know the email address, its
archief@saints.com.au !!
Those who don't know the email address, its
archief@saints.com.au !!
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Well done Saint Patrick
I have generally used your draft with my email - Thanks
Just a couple of points to note
I believe the best person to approach in the football department will be
Ken Sheldon, General Manager, Football
and I believe 'Steven' is the correct spelling for our boy Bakes
contact details for club officials:
http://westofmoorabbin.com/staff.html
I have generally used your draft with my email - Thanks
Just a couple of points to note
I believe the best person to approach in the football department will be
Ken Sheldon, General Manager, Football
and I believe 'Steven' is the correct spelling for our boy Bakes
contact details for club officials:
http://westofmoorabbin.com/staff.html
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Doh!!! Thanks Nick...See what happens when anger clouds the mind...thanks for the tip with Ken peanut should have included him and have just sent him a personal email....Nick_Dal_Santo = ChAmPiOn wrote:great stuff pat
but
unfortunately u miss-spelt (spelling? ) bakes name wrong..its spelt with a "v" not a "ph"
Thanks guys and keep those emails flying!!!!
Never take a backward step even to gain momentum.....
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
'It's OK to have the capabilities and abilities, but you've got to get it done." Terry Daniher 05
"We have beauty in our captain and we have a true leader in our coach. Our time will come"
Thinline.Post 09 Grand final.
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awesome effort Pat.....we are all right behind you on this one.
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
saintspremiers wrote:awesome effort Pat.....we are all right behind you on this one.
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
No logic in the arguement. they have nothing to do with the tribunal or the process. Why would the delibrately disrespect our club.
thanks pat, sent something similar myself.
The club needs to know that us fans are behind them but will not stand for this ANYMORE!
The club needs to know that us fans are behind them but will not stand for this ANYMORE!
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I think we are totally different tangents on this one if you believe they don't influence the tribunal.plugger66 wrote:saintspremiers wrote:awesome effort Pat.....we are all right behind you on this one.
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
No logic in the arguement. they have nothing to do with the tribunal or the process. Why would the delibrately disrespect our club.
Just the way I see it.
saintspremiers wrote:I think we are totally different tangents on this one if you believe they don't influence the tribunal.plugger66 wrote:saintspremiers wrote:awesome effort Pat.....we are all right behind you on this one.
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
No logic in the arguement. they have nothing to do with the tribunal or the process. Why would the delibrately disrespect our club.
Just the way I see it.
So you are saying Burky and Loewe do what the AFL want them to do. Ok if you think they are that weak fine. I happen to think they are better than that.
oh come on, the very fact that they have sent it to the tribunal will have put pressure on the tribunal tomorrow night.plugger66 wrote:saintspremiers wrote:awesome effort Pat.....we are all right behind you on this one.
F*** the AFL
F*** Demetriou and Anderscum.
They are a bunch of a**holes that always let their own pissy pathetic agendas get in the way of the truth.
How DARE THEY treat OUR club with such disrespect YET AGAIN.
Come on here Demetriou if you have the balls you spineless so called leader and explain what basis this charge is made on.
Or is it complete bulls*** as we all suspect???
No logic in the arguement. they have nothing to do with the tribunal or the process. Why would the delibrately disrespect our club.
If baker does get off I would not put it past the AFL to de-register him.
And if you start about jumping at shadows, they have shown they are very happy to re-write the rules to suit their means.
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me too, awesome stuff from the club, see this is the type of small thing that makes a whole lot of difference.Eastern wrote:Just received an email back from Archie Fraser telling that the club is doing everything it can and thanking me for the support.
Well Done Archie. Well Done St KFC !!
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I am involved on the board of a Junior Football League. (Volunteer)
Officials from clubs can make a complaint against an opposition player / official and supporters.
I will explain the process of an allegation against a player..........not seen by an umpire.....no report made on day.
A statement received from official/club making the complaint
The other Club responds to that complaint
Conduct manager (of League)decides if independant hearing required to determine if a case to answer
Our independat hearing.......would be similar to the role of afl officer
If the independant hearing determines that a player has a possible case to answer
(not confirmed guilt) it will send that player to face the Independant player Tribunal..........
Similar to what the AFL officer has done.......interviewed certain alleged witnesses etc....as result of this information has considered that the player
(in this case Baker) should front the Tribunal (independant player tribunal)
Not knowing what has been said by various parties difficult to explain further.............
AFL following a process ......................
has been mentioned in various posts the lack of video etc..............
ie because no video or umpire report no case to answer etc......
in my opinion not the case.........
Will not predict an outcome but based on what known BUT if there is no other evidence to support a lone allegation by an official from Fremantle.....I think most would expect the Tribunal will reach a certain determination.
Not sure of M.Voss role.....was interviwed....
but gave conflicting statements during broadcast.
Officials from clubs can make a complaint against an opposition player / official and supporters.
I will explain the process of an allegation against a player..........not seen by an umpire.....no report made on day.
A statement received from official/club making the complaint
The other Club responds to that complaint
Conduct manager (of League)decides if independant hearing required to determine if a case to answer
Our independat hearing.......would be similar to the role of afl officer
If the independant hearing determines that a player has a possible case to answer
(not confirmed guilt) it will send that player to face the Independant player Tribunal..........
Similar to what the AFL officer has done.......interviewed certain alleged witnesses etc....as result of this information has considered that the player
(in this case Baker) should front the Tribunal (independant player tribunal)
Not knowing what has been said by various parties difficult to explain further.............
AFL following a process ......................
has been mentioned in various posts the lack of video etc..............
ie because no video or umpire report no case to answer etc......
in my opinion not the case.........
Will not predict an outcome but based on what known BUT if there is no other evidence to support a lone allegation by an official from Fremantle.....I think most would expect the Tribunal will reach a certain determination.
Not sure of M.Voss role.....was interviwed....
but gave conflicting statements during broadcast.
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F*** sending them anything.
If they take it up the arse from the AFL
Like they did for Whispers in the Sky
Like they did for Frasiers tummy tap
Like they did for Sirengate
Like they did for Bakes "attampted" jumper
all the while watching as
Scarlett throat punches Riewoldt - let off
Kerr punches Mitchell in the nuts - let off
Barry Hall punches Goose 80 metres from he play - let off
Kosi gets a fractured skull - no charge
Ball gets his face smashed in in R1 - no charge
then the gutless squibs who run our club and gladly take my $650 each year but wont protect the name of our club or players while the AFL laugh their guts out at us, have lost me forever.
They can just F*** off. I'll be voting for the challenge, whomever they are. they might actually defend our players and our club from this sort of rampant corruption and blatant victimisation of the AFL.
If Baker gets as much as a reprimand, take it to farken court you bunch of timmid squibs.
How many times will you clowns be the AFL bitches??????
If they take it up the arse from the AFL
Like they did for Whispers in the Sky
Like they did for Frasiers tummy tap
Like they did for Sirengate
Like they did for Bakes "attampted" jumper
all the while watching as
Scarlett throat punches Riewoldt - let off
Kerr punches Mitchell in the nuts - let off
Barry Hall punches Goose 80 metres from he play - let off
Kosi gets a fractured skull - no charge
Ball gets his face smashed in in R1 - no charge
then the gutless squibs who run our club and gladly take my $650 each year but wont protect the name of our club or players while the AFL laugh their guts out at us, have lost me forever.
They can just F*** off. I'll be voting for the challenge, whomever they are. they might actually defend our players and our club from this sort of rampant corruption and blatant victimisation of the AFL.
If Baker gets as much as a reprimand, take it to farken court you bunch of timmid squibs.
How many times will you clowns be the AFL bitches??????
Lance or James??
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With you in principle Joffa and no doubt the AFL is doing us no favours but lets see how our admin responds to this blight before we spill their blood. Those incidents you mention are all relating to the obviously illegal actions of other clubs' players - Kerr, Hall, Giansiracusa, Whelan etc - and there's not a whole lot the Saints could do about them. We're protecting our own here accused of something well documented on this forum as fantasy as there is no credible evidence. Let's see what they're made of in the morning - in the meantime maybe have a chamomile tea and relax a bit
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Interesting, but hasn't Baker already been charged with rough conduct? Surely that is not the same as being asked to front up to the tribunal for a chat about what may or may not have occurred.chook23 wrote:I am involved on the board of a Junior Football League. (Volunteer)
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If the independant hearing determines that a player has a possible case to answer (not confirmed guilt) it will send that player to face the Independant player Tribunal..........
\snip\
AFL following a process ......................
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Will not predict an outcome but based on what known BUT if there is no other evidence to support a lone allegation by an official from Fremantle.....I think most would expect the Tribunal will reach a certain determination.
If they've already laid a charge that suggests that all 'investigations' are over - which suggests to me that EITHER:
1. The AFL feel they have enough to prove the incident;
2. The only evidence they have is a sole allegation from a Freo dude, which they are putting up purely as a matter of procedure to appear fair - but unless Bakes breaks down in a sobbing admission and begs for forgiveness it will be thrown out as word against word.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.