J.Attard and playing Negative
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J.Attard and playing Negative
Is s***!! 5 games out of 19 he has had 10+ poss, he has absolutely NO EFFECT on the game what so ever. How the hell does he stay in the side! Typical NEGATIVE R.Lyon attitude towards the gameplan.
Round Date Vs K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 1 30/03/2007 Demons 1 7 8 1 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 2 05/04/2007 Lions 3 3 6 1 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 3 14/04/2007 Bulldogs 5 8 13 3 0 4 2 1 0 0
Round 4 21/04/2007 Bombers 3 2 5 1 0 3 1 0 0 0
Round 5 27/04/2007 Power 6 0 6 2 0 5 0 1 0 0
Round 6 04/05/2007 Blues 4 1 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 7 12/05/2007 Swans 2 7 9 1 0 2 0 1 0 0
Round 8 19/05/2007 Hawks 4 7 11 3 0 4 1 1 0 0
Round 9 25/05/2007 Freo 4 2 6 2 0 5 0 0 0 0
Round 10 03/06/2007 Cats 2 8 10 1 0 3 2 2 0 0
Round 11 10/06/2007 Kangaroos 3 4 7 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Round 12 24/06/2007 Eagles 3 6 9 2 0 3 1 0 0 0
Round 13 30/06/2007 Tigers 1 6 7 2 0 4 2 0 0 0
Round 14 07/07/2007 Magpies 1 1 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 15 13/07/2007 Crows 2 6 8 1 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 16 21/07/2007 Hawks 4 6 10 3 0 6 1 0 0 0
Round 17 28/07/2007 Blues 4 6 10 2 0 3 0 1 0 0
Round 18 03/08/2007 Bulldogs 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Round 19 11/08/2007 Swans 4 1 5 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Add on to that Baker who tags and has no effect. Rix a ruckman who tags, Blake a taller tagger, L.Fisher turned into a midfield tagger. L.Ball, Fizz, Birss, Mini and now he's turned Dal Santo into a HB taggger. PATHETIC is a word I would use!
Gram and S.Fisher are/were our running backs, loose men in defence, but now that everyone on the planet knows our gameplan the opposition man up and stop them.
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Kosi is NOT a dominant ruckman and NEVER will be! Has played 17 games, ranks 41st in avg hitouts per game. He dominates up fwd so why not keep him there FFS!! Why play him in the ruck to stop the opposition ruckman from having to much influence around the ground?
G-Train kicked 2 goals in the first qtr tonight.. Had 4 poss for the entire game! That's 2 games in a row he has done NOTHING!!! He gets paid his wage for the year fair enough. Plus match payments of about what? 2 grand + per game?? That's about 5 grand G has made in 2 weeks for 4 Freaking poss and him standing around doing s*** all!! Why would he WANT to retire in this situation?????
Watts and Brooks are busting their guts trying despretly to get a game continually being in the BEST players for the Scorps and have to put up with this out rage! Kosi can't ruck to save himself so WHY not put him FF ie the Eagles game? And get rid of the dead wood in Gehrig. Give Brooks an entire game in the ruck, not just 5 mins per qtr like he always has. M.Clarke is ranked 19th in the AFL for hitouts per game, put him in as back up.
Why are we all happy to play so negative. To sit back frustrated at this insulting type of footy, is it not our duty as members and people who love the club to DEMAND the very best, to expect 100% committment from those involved! The club wants us to be committed and hand over our money.. WHEN IS THE ST.KILDA FC GOING TO WIN ANOTHER GAME OF FOOTY. NOT STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM WINNING!!
Round Date Vs K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 1 30/03/2007 Demons 1 7 8 1 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 2 05/04/2007 Lions 3 3 6 1 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 3 14/04/2007 Bulldogs 5 8 13 3 0 4 2 1 0 0
Round 4 21/04/2007 Bombers 3 2 5 1 0 3 1 0 0 0
Round 5 27/04/2007 Power 6 0 6 2 0 5 0 1 0 0
Round 6 04/05/2007 Blues 4 1 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 7 12/05/2007 Swans 2 7 9 1 0 2 0 1 0 0
Round 8 19/05/2007 Hawks 4 7 11 3 0 4 1 1 0 0
Round 9 25/05/2007 Freo 4 2 6 2 0 5 0 0 0 0
Round 10 03/06/2007 Cats 2 8 10 1 0 3 2 2 0 0
Round 11 10/06/2007 Kangaroos 3 4 7 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Round 12 24/06/2007 Eagles 3 6 9 2 0 3 1 0 0 0
Round 13 30/06/2007 Tigers 1 6 7 2 0 4 2 0 0 0
Round 14 07/07/2007 Magpies 1 1 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 15 13/07/2007 Crows 2 6 8 1 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 16 21/07/2007 Hawks 4 6 10 3 0 6 1 0 0 0
Round 17 28/07/2007 Blues 4 6 10 2 0 3 0 1 0 0
Round 18 03/08/2007 Bulldogs 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Round 19 11/08/2007 Swans 4 1 5 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Add on to that Baker who tags and has no effect. Rix a ruckman who tags, Blake a taller tagger, L.Fisher turned into a midfield tagger. L.Ball, Fizz, Birss, Mini and now he's turned Dal Santo into a HB taggger. PATHETIC is a word I would use!
Gram and S.Fisher are/were our running backs, loose men in defence, but now that everyone on the planet knows our gameplan the opposition man up and stop them.
____________
Kosi is NOT a dominant ruckman and NEVER will be! Has played 17 games, ranks 41st in avg hitouts per game. He dominates up fwd so why not keep him there FFS!! Why play him in the ruck to stop the opposition ruckman from having to much influence around the ground?
G-Train kicked 2 goals in the first qtr tonight.. Had 4 poss for the entire game! That's 2 games in a row he has done NOTHING!!! He gets paid his wage for the year fair enough. Plus match payments of about what? 2 grand + per game?? That's about 5 grand G has made in 2 weeks for 4 Freaking poss and him standing around doing s*** all!! Why would he WANT to retire in this situation?????
Watts and Brooks are busting their guts trying despretly to get a game continually being in the BEST players for the Scorps and have to put up with this out rage! Kosi can't ruck to save himself so WHY not put him FF ie the Eagles game? And get rid of the dead wood in Gehrig. Give Brooks an entire game in the ruck, not just 5 mins per qtr like he always has. M.Clarke is ranked 19th in the AFL for hitouts per game, put him in as back up.
Why are we all happy to play so negative. To sit back frustrated at this insulting type of footy, is it not our duty as members and people who love the club to DEMAND the very best, to expect 100% committment from those involved! The club wants us to be committed and hand over our money.. WHEN IS THE ST.KILDA FC GOING TO WIN ANOTHER GAME OF FOOTY. NOT STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM WINNING!!
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To be fair, people defend Attard because he's a tagger, but in today's game, a tagger needs to not only stop his opponant or limit his impact, but to win at least 15 touches as well.
Attard took his goal well tonight but he clearly lacks ball-winning ability for mine - and you CANNOT have that when you are already playing Baker as well. He's a protected species on this forum, everyone covers his back with the old "oh, but he shuts down everyone line!" at the drop of a hat.
Well, I'd say he's 50-50 for his opponants, and he's not a great tackler either. Certainly not quick. He should really only be playing if a) he learns how to win the ball or b) Baker is injured.
Faces a crucial year next year, because he's a RL lovechild and won't get chopped. But we can't play midfielders - even taggers - who win so little of the ball and have such minimal impact on the outcome of matches.
I'd almost rather see McQualter given a tagging job...at least he can win it occasionally.
I agree with OWTS on most things, but this is one I'm sure we'll butt heads over, he's JA's biggest fan
Attard took his goal well tonight but he clearly lacks ball-winning ability for mine - and you CANNOT have that when you are already playing Baker as well. He's a protected species on this forum, everyone covers his back with the old "oh, but he shuts down everyone line!" at the drop of a hat.
Well, I'd say he's 50-50 for his opponants, and he's not a great tackler either. Certainly not quick. He should really only be playing if a) he learns how to win the ball or b) Baker is injured.
Faces a crucial year next year, because he's a RL lovechild and won't get chopped. But we can't play midfielders - even taggers - who win so little of the ball and have such minimal impact on the outcome of matches.
I'd almost rather see McQualter given a tagging job...at least he can win it occasionally.
I agree with OWTS on most things, but this is one I'm sure we'll butt heads over, he's JA's biggest fan
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A forum is a place for opinions, we are all St Kilda fans and most of us upset with recent results. We are far too defensive and reactive and tonight from what I heard were bloody terrible.
It all starts at team selection IMO. There is not room in the team for all of Attard, Baker, Blake, Rix etc. They offer nothing in an attacking sense and are honest battlers at best.
Players who are out of form like Xavier, Fiora and Gehrig should be sent to the 2nds and replaced with blokes like Watts, Brooks, McQualter, Armitage who are actually performing.
Why was Rix bought back in before Brooks? He has had so many chances this season and is clearly not up to AFL standard. The selection of Jones is understandable as he has pace and can tackle, but having said that he hasn't performed and must go back to the 2nds.
Why are our best running defenders in Gram, S.Fisher and L.Fisher so ineffective all of a sudden? The coach is responsible for this and must fix it or the season is over.
It all starts at team selection IMO. There is not room in the team for all of Attard, Baker, Blake, Rix etc. They offer nothing in an attacking sense and are honest battlers at best.
Players who are out of form like Xavier, Fiora and Gehrig should be sent to the 2nds and replaced with blokes like Watts, Brooks, McQualter, Armitage who are actually performing.
Why was Rix bought back in before Brooks? He has had so many chances this season and is clearly not up to AFL standard. The selection of Jones is understandable as he has pace and can tackle, but having said that he hasn't performed and must go back to the 2nds.
Why are our best running defenders in Gram, S.Fisher and L.Fisher so ineffective all of a sudden? The coach is responsible for this and must fix it or the season is over.
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All my thoughts walking out of Telstra Stadium tonight could well be summarised in that post. Well said.Little Dozer wrote:A forum is a place for opinions, we are all St Kilda fans and most of us upset with recent results. We are far too defensive and reactive and tonight from what I heard were bloody terrible.
It all starts at team selection IMO. There is not room in the team for all of Attard, Baker, Blake, Rix etc. They offer nothing in an attacking sense and are honest battlers at best.
Players who are out of form like Xavier, Fiora and Gehrig should be sent to the 2nds and replaced with blokes like Watts, Brooks, McQualter, Armitage who are actually performing.
Why was Rix bought back in before Brooks? He has had so many chances this season and is clearly not up to AFL standard. The selection of Jones is understandable as he has pace and can tackle, but having said that he hasn't performed and must go back to the 2nds.
Why are our best running defenders in Gram, S.Fisher and L.Fisher so ineffective all of a sudden? The coach is responsible for this and must fix it or the season is over.
I only disagree on Baker, I think he's earned his keep.
Clinton Jones isn't up to it, and I'd hope both he and Birss - another honest VFL battler who just isn't a finals-standard player - are chopped. How Blake holds his spot, I'll never know. Honest and gives his all, but that doesn't actually mean he's any good.
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We have too many passengers in the side. We had 6 players who got less than 10 possessions. The Swans had 3. Attard is consistently one of our worst performers stats wise. Everybody has been canning Xavier Clark's efforts last night, but he still had more effective possessions than Attard and Jones and others. Fiora and Rix had few possessions, but Fiopra laid 5 tackles, Rix 7 and 17 hitouts. They still earned their places. The other four should be dropped.
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That honour might go to St Fid evertonfc, but I do rate Attard ...evertonfc wrote:
I agree with OWTS on most things, but this is one I'm sure we'll butt heads over, he's JA's biggest fan
However, even in my biased state, I can see that Attard is badly out of form.
So drop him.
It ain't that hard to figure out. He's only a young player still, and the effect of a full season at AFL level is probably catching up.
Send him back to the two's and let him find some touch and confidence again. We know what we have for next season.
Baker averages 15 disposals per match, as well as shutting down his opponent.
He is one of only four players in our team who knows how to gut run offensively when needed.
On two occasions this year Lyon has released him without an opponent, and he has gathered 25+ disposals.
He is vital part of our team ... the previous coach voted him the best player in a season.
He is in our top 10, and anyone who says otherwise IMO doesn't really see things correctly ...
They should only play AFL games now when it's raining. Slow games of footy are so much better to watch.
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the question of the number of players in our team playing negating roles is a good one i think, however bakes and attard are specialists at this, and therefore im happy to have them in the team every week.
Im worried about the others who are also just being told to 'stop' their opponent.
ie dal ball blake rix.
Im worried about the others who are also just being told to 'stop' their opponent.
ie dal ball blake rix.