Four delisted

[SinCitySainter]

I agree with the Bonner delisting.
It hopefully means the club will allow our 2 x AA HBF to remain playing where he plays his best football.
The other thing is that that HBF role is the best position to let young guys get a quarter here and there to just get their hands on the football.
It is a particularly good training position for a young outside mid and Bonner was just taking a spot both in the Senior squad and at Sandy.

[SaintWiki]

From the club: https://www.saints.com.au/news/1640958/ ... st-changes

Really perplexing that they put so many games into Bonner this year

The others are not really a surprise to me personally. Big opportunity to grasp the fulltime ruck role next year for Keeler and Heath if they stay on

I coud be way off track unable to attend training etc but it looked like RL wanted to really know this year whether there is a chance for Bonner and in his view the answer seems to be NO. I'm sure the coaching staff knew we were unlikely to make finals, never loan win the flag.

[st sandy]

The delisting of Allison & Van Es to me indicates poor recruitment & or medical conditioning.

Allison drafted at mid 20's? & Van Es at pick 31.

As a club (recruitment, medical, development) we simply have to do more with these picks in this range.

Other than just recently (Owens, Windhager) our record of developing players in this range over the years has been quite ordinary

[mad saint guy]

No surprise with the first 4.

Agree it is perplexing to play Bonner so regularly then delist him. Similar to another PA backman Leinert.

Logan Austin too. Which Port half back who can't defend will we take and play for a season before delisting this year?

[D.B.Cooper]

The delisting of Allison & Van Es to me indicates poor recruitment & or medical conditioning.

Allison drafted at mid 20's? & Van Es at pick 31.

As a club (recruitment, medical, development) we simply have to do more with these picks in this range.

Other than just recently (Owens, Windhager) our record of developing players in this range over the years has been quite ordinary

Van Es was the player we selected with the pick received from GCS for Ben Long.

[D.B.Cooper]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1162963/big ... whats-next

Tom Campbell article from July this year.
Great clubman, well respected.

Who knows, we may still rookie him again for next season.

[CURLY]

The delisting of Allison & Van Es to me indicates poor recruitment & or medical conditioning.

Allison drafted at mid 20's? & Van Es at pick 31.

As a club (recruitment, medical, development) we simply have to do more with these picks in this range.

Other than just recently (Owens, Windhager) our record of developing players in this range over the years has been quite ordinary

What sort of crystal ball do you suggest our recruiters buy?

[skeptic]

No surprise with the first 4.

Agree it is perplexing to play Bonner so regularly then delist him. Similar to another PA backman Leinert.

Logan Austin too. Which Port half back who can't defend will we take and play for a season before delisting this year?

Lol… maybe not a HBF per’se but all of a sudden right in cue there is a strong link to us and Houston

[Bowey Boy]

Seb Ross gone too.

[chook23]

Seb Ross gone too.

Retired?

[Bowey Boy]

Seb Ross gone too.

Retired?

Not offered a new contract. So I presume he can look elsewhere if he wishes. I really like him but his disposal was not really good enough sometimes.

[chook23]

Seb Ross gone too.

Retired?

Not offered a new contract. So I presume he can look elsewhere if he wishes. I really like him but his disposal was not really good enough sometimes.

Thanks ....just read club announcement

[Scollop]

https://www.saintsational.net/viewtopic ... 7#p2076107

[WellardSaint]

Seb Ross gone too.

Club's announcement said 'leadership group 2017-2022' which I knew, but then '2024' who knew that one

[Bruce G McAbee]

Unfortunately for Seb, his position was taken by Windhager as a midfield tagger, he was going to find it difficult to break back into the side.
He has been a great servant of the club and hopefully will get a gig elsewhere like Nth Melbourne, Richmond or Gold Coast.

[saynta]

Totally agree about Bonner. Playing him for several games this season has thwarted the development of another young player with promise. Dare I say he even cost the team in some of the close games.
This aspect of Lyon's thinking with Bonner continually getting a game I just don't understand at all and makes no sense whatsoever.

If we accept Lyon is being 100% honest when he repeatedly states he picks teams to win games then I look at the Bonner experiment as an illustration of two things, firstly the depth of proven talent available for recruitment is getting thinner every season, Tasmania will further dilute the talent pool. And secondly the depth on our list is still very shallow.

With that in mind, as well as acknowledging Lyon's game plan probes for fast ball movement off the back half, I'd suggest Bonner was seen as a stop gap and was also considered better than any other option on the list most weeks to fill that role in his pursuit to try and win every game rather than just throw random kids into the game who couldn't play that specific role just for the sake of "getting games into kids" who neither are ready for AFL and/or can play the role

Question is, who will he his replacement, do the recruiters already have someone they think can play the role better or has Lyon identified that player internally?

Hastie is the effing obvious answer to anyone with a tad of football knowledge .

[Vortex]

Totally agree about Bonner. Playing him for several games this season has thwarted the development of another young player with promise. Dare I say he even cost the team in some of the close games.
This aspect of Lyon's thinking with Bonner continually getting a game I just don't understand at all and makes no sense whatsoever.

If we accept Lyon is being 100% honest when he repeatedly states he picks teams to win games then I look at the Bonner experiment as an illustration of two things, firstly the depth of proven talent available for recruitment is getting thinner every season, Tasmania will further dilute the talent pool. And secondly the depth on our list is still very shallow.

With that in mind, as well as acknowledging Lyon's game plan probes for fast ball movement off the back half, I'd suggest Bonner was seen as a stop gap and was also considered better than any other option on the list most weeks to fill that role in his pursuit to try and win every game rather than just throw random kids into the game who couldn't play that specific role just for the sake of "getting games into kids" who neither are ready for AFL and/or can play the role

Question is, who will he his replacement, do the recruiters already have someone they think can play the role better or has Lyon identified that player internally?

Hastie is the effing obvious answer to anyone with a tad of football knowledge .

Hey St Raymondo (aka St Ray from Big Footy), my favorite 70 year old premature evaluator.

I feel privileged you dragged yourself away from your favorite porn site to inject your invaluable contribution to this thread...as always.

[D.B.Cooper]

Campbell is so unlucky he’s a better ruckman than basically every bean pole kid that will be on a list next season that has so called potential.

Bonner simply just a walking Clanger

Van Es and Allison unlucky

Geez you jumped of the Bonner bandwagon pretty quickly Curly.

Back in May he was a key part of our future.

Note: you still never miss a chance to bag Byrnes!

Byrnes I agree is not good enough.

Bonner on the other hand is a key part going forward. His kick to Hayes to give him his first goal was elite.

Curly knows Football

[D.B.Cooper]

Totally agree about Bonner. Playing him for several games this season has thwarted the development of another young player with promise. Dare I say he even cost the team in some of the close games.
This aspect of Lyon's thinking with Bonner continually getting a game I just don't understand at all and makes no sense whatsoever.

If we accept Lyon is being 100% honest when he repeatedly states he picks teams to win games then I look at the Bonner experiment as an illustration of two things, firstly the depth of proven talent available for recruitment is getting thinner every season, Tasmania will further dilute the talent pool. And secondly the depth on our list is still very shallow.

With that in mind, as well as acknowledging Lyon's game plan probes for fast ball movement off the back half, I'd suggest Bonner was seen as a stop gap and was also considered better than any other option on the list most weeks to fill that role in his pursuit to try and win every game rather than just throw random kids into the game who couldn't play that specific role just for the sake of "getting games into kids" who neither are ready for AFL and/or can play the role

Question is, who will he his replacement, do the recruiters already have someone they think can play the role better or has Lyon identified that player internally?

Hastie is the effing obvious answer to anyone with a tad of football knowledge .

Hey St Raymondo (aka St Ray from Big Footy), my favorite 70 year old premature evaluator.

I feel privileged you dragged yourself away from your favorite porn site to inject your invaluable contribution to this thread...as always.

Is it ... www.dryblower.com ?

[SAINT-LEE]

Totally agree about Bonner. Playing him for several games this season has thwarted the development of another young player with promise. Dare I say he even cost the team in some of the close games.
This aspect of Lyon's thinking with Bonner continually getting a game I just don't understand at all and makes no sense whatsoever.

Bonner: gut running, first in last off the field, attentive, followed game plan, hard hard worker
= chances to make it

Problem was he couldnt fully execute and over commited too often causing a need for difficult disposals and he didnt have the skill to execute those precise actions.

[CURLY]

Campbell is so unlucky he’s a better ruckman than basically every bean pole kid that will be on a list next season that has so called potential.

Bonner simply just a walking Clanger

Van Es and Allison unlucky

Geez you jumped of the Bonner bandwagon pretty quickly Curly.

Back in May he was a key part of our future.

Note: you still never miss a chance to bag Byrnes!

Byrnes I agree is not good enough.

Bonner on the other hand is a key part going forward. His kick to Hayes to give him his first goal was elite.

Curly knows Football

Yep I posted that and he was. Getting Sinclair and NWM time through the middle. He clearly fell away to the point he was a no good at Sandy.

Byrnes is just the same just average and hopefully he plays majority of his year in the VFL in 2025

[cwrcyn]

Bonner's short kicks were accurate. The rest resulted in a lot of turnovers. Unfortunately, he cost us the game against Essendon by having a record 17 turnovers by foot. That is an AFL record he'll keep for a very long time. At least he'll get to keep his name in the history books

He was wasn't very effective in one on one contests, either.

Still, he had some good games and he squeezed out another 19 games after being delisted by Port and got to play his 100th game, so he can be proud to reach that milestone

[skeptic]

I still reckon he’d have made good depth

[Scollop]

Byrnes is just the same just average and hopefully he plays majority of his year in the VFL in 2025

He played a very good game for us against Carlton and has shown good signs of improvement.

You know it's possible for players to improve once they've played around 50 games. Some improve markedly between 50-80 and some even further after 80 games. Ronnie is on 63

Saying he 'hopefully' plays majority in the VFL totally ignores reality and is a sh*t comment to make, to try and say "I was right".

Your views on Bonner changed, so perhaps try and remain open to the possibility that Byrnes continues to perform to a good standard in the seniors

[Vortex]

Totally agree about Bonner. Playing him for several games this season has thwarted the development of another young player with promise. Dare I say he even cost the team in some of the close games.
This aspect of Lyon's thinking with Bonner continually getting a game I just don't understand at all and makes no sense whatsoever.

If we accept Lyon is being 100% honest when he repeatedly states he picks teams to win games then I look at the Bonner experiment as an illustration of two things, firstly the depth of proven talent available for recruitment is getting thinner every season, Tasmania will further dilute the talent pool. And secondly the depth on our list is still very shallow.

With that in mind, as well as acknowledging Lyon's game plan probes for fast ball movement off the back half, I'd suggest Bonner was seen as a stop gap and was also considered better than any other option on the list most weeks to fill that role in his pursuit to try and win every game rather than just throw random kids into the game who couldn't play that specific role just for the sake of "getting games into kids" who neither are ready for AFL and/or can play the role

Question is, who will he his replacement, do the recruiters already have someone they think can play the role better or has Lyon identified that player internally?

Hastie is the effing obvious answer to anyone with a tad of football knowledge .

Hey St Raymondo (aka St Ray from Big Footy), my favorite 70 year old premature evaluator.

I feel privileged you dragged yourself away from your favorite porn site to inject your invaluable contribution to this thread...as always.

Is it ... www.dryblower.com ?

Yes that's it, and www.playfull_in_nappies.com