Ha. Once we were smashing everyone with essentially the same team as 08 then we became a team of superstars. No one thought that at the start of the season and I don’t recall a line of experienced coaches lining up at the end of 06. Hence why we hired an untried coachScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 9:49pm St Kilda tripped up by sacking GT in 2006.
Instead of us maintaining our edge over the young Geelong...the internet tells me Ross Lyon failed to get the best from a team full of stars ready to contend.
The following was from The Age in 2009. "In late 2006, a senior coach from another club said coaching the St Kilda list was akin to being offered sex with Elle Macpherson."
The line about Elle is down towards the end of the section titled Brighton Cowboys
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sai ... e8430.html
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Two things ... Firstly you're rewriting history in regard to the quality of our list in 2006Moods wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 9:55pmHa. Once we were smashing everyone with essentially the same team as 08 then we became a team of superstars. No one thought that at the start of the season and I don’t recall a line of experienced coaches lining up at the end of 06. Hence why we hired an untried coachScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 9:49pm St Kilda tripped up by sacking GT in 2006.
Instead of us maintaining our edge over the young Geelong...the internet tells me Ross Lyon failed to get the best from a team full of stars ready to contend.
The following was from The Age in 2009. "In late 2006, a senior coach from another club said coaching the St Kilda list was akin to being offered sex with Elle Macpherson."
The line about Elle is down towards the end of the section titled Brighton Cowboys
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sai ... e8430.html
Secondly, you're a smart man Moods. You know why there weren't too many experienced coaches lining up at the end of 06. Why would someone go to a rabble who employs coaches like Blight and sacks them a year later? Or sacks a guy who gets a team from the bottom of the ladder to play in 3 consecutive finals series...and 2 prelims?
Plus...who was available anyway as far as experience was concerned?
Re: GT on Twitter
There was a view, to which I subscribed, that in the season where we won the first 10 that our young players were worked into the ground, succumbing to injury and losing form
This was the opinion of some influential at St Kilda at that time (and subsequent including today)
Successful sides include a raft of talent and that includes a core of experienced and very capable footballers
There is also a history of First Round Draft Picks not making the grade
Before you get to culture and leadership
This was the opinion of some influential at St Kilda at that time (and subsequent including today)
Successful sides include a raft of talent and that includes a core of experienced and very capable footballers
There is also a history of First Round Draft Picks not making the grade
Before you get to culture and leadership
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Re: GT on Twitter
I liked many things about GT.
He made Saints relevant. He made us believe that we deserved better
He made us more professional. He stuck up for us and wouldn’t take s*** from anyone.
He was entertaining and always spoke his mind. Tbh, he seemed like a good bloke and would have been good company. The young blokes adored him.
I’m not sure how many former coaches, CEO’s would be so outspoken with some outlandish comments on twitter
He made Saints relevant. He made us believe that we deserved better
He made us more professional. He stuck up for us and wouldn’t take s*** from anyone.
He was entertaining and always spoke his mind. Tbh, he seemed like a good bloke and would have been good company. The young blokes adored him.
I’m not sure how many former coaches, CEO’s would be so outspoken with some outlandish comments on twitter
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It's not going to happen but it's an interesting thought experiment. If we completely abandon any hope of success for the next few years and switch to rebuild mode...as it sits, we'll likely have picks 6, 7 and 25 already. What would we yield from trading away high value senior guns?
Approximate guesses (picks could be a combo of 2024 and 2025)
King - Pick 8, pick 20
Sinclair - Pick 10
Steele - Pick 15
Wilkie - Pick 12
Marshall - Pick 10
So over two drafts we end up with around 10 first round picks.
Leaving us with a team looking like this for 2025 (not including draftees)
B: Schoenmaker, Howard, Webster
HB: NWM, Cordy, Stocker
C: Wilson, Windhager, Wood
HF: Higgins, Sharman, Henry
F: Butler, Caminiti, Owens
Foll: Heath, Phillipou, Clark
Int: Keeler, Garcia, Collard, Dow
I understand the thinking, but Gold Coast has showed what happens when you assemble a list of high draft picks with no support around them. We've got to find the right balance. Personally I'd take the Battle compo to the draft and also try to trade our 2025 picks for 2024 equivalent picks so we can load up on this draft in the hope of having a top 4 contending team in 2-3 years while Marshall, Wilkie, Steele, Sincs and Wood are all still playing good footy.
Approximate guesses (picks could be a combo of 2024 and 2025)
King - Pick 8, pick 20
Sinclair - Pick 10
Steele - Pick 15
Wilkie - Pick 12
Marshall - Pick 10
So over two drafts we end up with around 10 first round picks.
Leaving us with a team looking like this for 2025 (not including draftees)
B: Schoenmaker, Howard, Webster
HB: NWM, Cordy, Stocker
C: Wilson, Windhager, Wood
HF: Higgins, Sharman, Henry
F: Butler, Caminiti, Owens
Foll: Heath, Phillipou, Clark
Int: Keeler, Garcia, Collard, Dow
I understand the thinking, but Gold Coast has showed what happens when you assemble a list of high draft picks with no support around them. We've got to find the right balance. Personally I'd take the Battle compo to the draft and also try to trade our 2025 picks for 2024 equivalent picks so we can load up on this draft in the hope of having a top 4 contending team in 2-3 years while Marshall, Wilkie, Steele, Sincs and Wood are all still playing good footy.
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Grant's a love or hate guy.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
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Grant's a love or hate guy.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
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Re: GT on Twitter
Grant's a love or hate guy.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
Certainly runs on cudos a tad too much in the media these days. If ya encourage him he shifts into high gear, mouth wide open.
But that summabitch DOES see opportunity and literally HAS struck it rich.
Any of us sell our business for $116 million and still collect residuals of $22 million a year off it?
So, even though I dont like all his ideas, its worth listening and sifting for gems, because he has proven to make diamonds from coal.
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2004 - finish 3rdScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:34pmWtf are you on about? He did build a legacy.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:26pm
I don't rate GT at all, correctly or incorrectly, I believe a professional coach in 2004 & 2005 would have built a legacy.
He took a bottom 4 team up the ladder and he gave opportunities to young future leaders with his rotating captaincy policy.
The new bloke in 2007 was the beneficiary of that legacy and that group of future leaders who had already played off in 2 consecutive prelim finals
GT was sacked in October 2006 because the president of the football club wanted to take him to court 6 months later
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/st-kilda-b ... dq267.html
2005 - finish 4th
2006 - finish 6th
Clearly on the decline under GT and opposition had worked out the one trick pony.
Just like Geelong in the 90's, had the best list in the competition but the full on attacking game played could not get the job done in finals.
How that 04/05 list didn't win a GF let alone make one is mind blowing, incompetence!
Line that list up against the 09/10 list, no comparison.
But don't forget GT got us to two prelims with a core bunch of 19 & 20 YO -
As for Lyon being a rookie coach, yes he was a rookie with about 10 years experience as an assistant, not like that experienced GT who took Warnambool to a flag
Then there was the training services that GT controlled and the number of soft tissue injuries that were incurred but were miraculously rectified when Lyon brought in a professional in Dave Misson, and the way young players like Luke Ball were flogged, Ball was never the player he should have been if GT had allowed him to recover adequately instead of using his courage against him and continuing to play him.
GT borrowed money from Butterrs, the drug addled president and his best mate who gave him the job, that he did not deserve and was not competent to undertake. Who intertwines their personal and professional business like this? Pathetic!
Jobs for the boys, the good old Saints
So out of the whole list of players ranked, you have chosen to dispute the 22 game (05) season of Aussie Jones the 2004 All Australian and suggest Milne who kicked 61 goals in 2005 (8th in the Coleman and most season goals in his career in 05) as not being at his peak?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Who is making things up Scollop?
Seriously you have very little idea or no clue at all.
Milne kicked 61 goals in 2005!!!
You love to make up BS on this forum like Treloar had nominated the Saints as his preferred destination (when leaving Collingwood), the funny thing is you accuse other posters of doing the same. Gaslight much?
Keep making up BS to support your GT worshiping, the guy was a failure who got the job under false pretences and could not get the best list in the AFL and the best I have seen assembled at St Kilda to a GF let alone a premiership.
Milne not at his peak = 61 goals, gee when was he at his peak???
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Re: GT on Twitter
Spare me JoffaD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:32pm2004 - finish 3rdScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:34pmWtf are you on about? He did build a legacy.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:26pm
I don't rate GT at all, correctly or incorrectly, I believe a professional coach in 2004 & 2005 would have built a legacy.
He took a bottom 4 team up the ladder and he gave opportunities to young future leaders with his rotating captaincy policy.
The new bloke in 2007 was the beneficiary of that legacy and that group of future leaders who had already played off in 2 consecutive prelim finals
GT was sacked in October 2006 because the president of the football club wanted to take him to court 6 months later
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/st-kilda-b ... dq267.html
2005 - finish 4th
2006 - finish 6th
Clearly on the decline under GT and opposition had worked out the one trick pony.
Just like Geelong in the 90's, had the best list in the competition but the full on attacking game played could not get the job done in finals.
How that 04/05 list didn't win a GF let alone make one is mind blowing, incompetence!
Line that list up against the 09/10 list, no comparison.
But don't forget GT got us to two prelims with a core bunch of 19 & 20 YO -
As for Lyon being a rookie coach, yes he was a rookie with about 10 years experience as an assistant, not like that experienced GT who took Warnambool to a flag
Then there was the training services that GT controlled and the number of soft tissue injuries that were incurred but were miraculously rectified when Lyon brought in a professional in Dave Misson, and the way young players like Luke Ball were flogged, Ball was never the player he should have been if GT had allowed him to recover adequately instead of using his courage against him and continuing to play him.
GT borrowed money from Butterrs, the drug addled president and his best mate who gave him the job, that he did not deserve and was not competent to undertake. Who intertwines their personal and professional business like this? Pathetic!
Jobs for the boys, the good old Saints
So out of the whole list of players ranked, you have chosen to dispute the 22 game (05) season of Aussie Jones the 2004 All Australian and suggest Milne who kicked 61 goals in 2005 (8th in the Coleman and most season goals in his career in 05) as not being at his peak?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Who is making things up Scollop?
Seriously you have very little idea or no clue at all.
Milne kicked 61 goals in 2005!!!
You love to make up BS on this forum like Treloar had nominated the Saints as his preferred destination (when leaving Collingwood), the funny thing is you accuse other posters of doing the same. Gaslight much?
Keep making up BS to support your GT worshiping, the guy was a failure who got the job under false pretences and could not get the best list in the AFL and the best I have seen assembled at St Kilda to a GF let alone a premiership.
Milne not at his peak = 61 goals, gee when was he at his peak???
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Re: GT on Twitter
Great response ScollopScollop wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:36pmSpare me JoffaD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:32pm2004 - finish 3rdScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:34pmWtf are you on about? He did build a legacy.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:26pm
I don't rate GT at all, correctly or incorrectly, I believe a professional coach in 2004 & 2005 would have built a legacy.
He took a bottom 4 team up the ladder and he gave opportunities to young future leaders with his rotating captaincy policy.
The new bloke in 2007 was the beneficiary of that legacy and that group of future leaders who had already played off in 2 consecutive prelim finals
GT was sacked in October 2006 because the president of the football club wanted to take him to court 6 months later
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/st-kilda-b ... dq267.html
2005 - finish 4th
2006 - finish 6th
Clearly on the decline under GT and opposition had worked out the one trick pony.
Just like Geelong in the 90's, had the best list in the competition but the full on attacking game played could not get the job done in finals.
How that 04/05 list didn't win a GF let alone make one is mind blowing, incompetence!
Line that list up against the 09/10 list, no comparison.
But don't forget GT got us to two prelims with a core bunch of 19 & 20 YO -
As for Lyon being a rookie coach, yes he was a rookie with about 10 years experience as an assistant, not like that experienced GT who took Warnambool to a flag
Then there was the training services that GT controlled and the number of soft tissue injuries that were incurred but were miraculously rectified when Lyon brought in a professional in Dave Misson, and the way young players like Luke Ball were flogged, Ball was never the player he should have been if GT had allowed him to recover adequately instead of using his courage against him and continuing to play him.
GT borrowed money from Butterrs, the drug addled president and his best mate who gave him the job, that he did not deserve and was not competent to undertake. Who intertwines their personal and professional business like this? Pathetic!
Jobs for the boys, the good old Saints
So out of the whole list of players ranked, you have chosen to dispute the 22 game (05) season of Aussie Jones the 2004 All Australian and suggest Milne who kicked 61 goals in 2005 (8th in the Coleman and most season goals in his career in 05) as not being at his peak?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Who is making things up Scollop?
Seriously you have very little idea or no clue at all.
Milne kicked 61 goals in 2005!!!
You love to make up BS on this forum like Treloar had nominated the Saints as his preferred destination (when leaving Collingwood), the funny thing is you accuse other posters of doing the same. Gaslight much?
Keep making up BS to support your GT worshiping, the guy was a failure who got the job under false pretences and could not get the best list in the AFL and the best I have seen assembled at St Kilda to a GF let alone a premiership.
Milne not at his peak = 61 goals, gee when was he at his peak???
Typical of someone who bases their posts on BS and has nothing to add when their post is debunked with a few facts.
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Re: GT on Twitter
GT an Lyon have one thing in common, they haven't won an AFL premiership as coach- the history book don't care about who comes secondMoods wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 7:22pmYou seriously believe GT could have done what Lyon did in 09?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Wow.
Imagine Lyon with Gehrig AND Roo both at their peak? And a coach who knew how to defend. I have no doubt that we would have won 04 and 05 flags.
In 09 before Kosi got injured and we had a genuine 2 prong attack with Milne at the feet with Schneider, we were literally unstoppable. Kosi getting injured put a dent and made us unbeatable to very strong. I know he played finals, but he was never the same player in the back half of the year kosi. GT lost the unloseable prelim to a team that had fallen over the cats ion a semi.
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That's a funny response. You're assuming I read your post. I cbf'dD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:45pmGreat response ScollopScollop wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:36pmSpare me JoffaD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:32pm2004 - finish 3rdScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:34pmWtf are you on about? He did build a legacy.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:26pm
I don't rate GT at all, correctly or incorrectly, I believe a professional coach in 2004 & 2005 would have built a legacy.
He took a bottom 4 team up the ladder and he gave opportunities to young future leaders with his rotating captaincy policy.
The new bloke in 2007 was the beneficiary of that legacy and that group of future leaders who had already played off in 2 consecutive prelim finals
GT was sacked in October 2006 because the president of the football club wanted to take him to court 6 months later
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/st-kilda-b ... dq267.html
2005 - finish 4th
2006 - finish 6th
Clearly on the decline under GT and opposition had worked out the one trick pony.
Just like Geelong in the 90's, had the best list in the competition but the full on attacking game played could not get the job done in finals.
How that 04/05 list didn't win a GF let alone make one is mind blowing, incompetence!
Line that list up against the 09/10 list, no comparison.
But don't forget GT got us to two prelims with a core bunch of 19 & 20 YO -
As for Lyon being a rookie coach, yes he was a rookie with about 10 years experience as an assistant, not like that experienced GT who took Warnambool to a flag
Then there was the training services that GT controlled and the number of soft tissue injuries that were incurred but were miraculously rectified when Lyon brought in a professional in Dave Misson, and the way young players like Luke Ball were flogged, Ball was never the player he should have been if GT had allowed him to recover adequately instead of using his courage against him and continuing to play him.
GT borrowed money from Butterrs, the drug addled president and his best mate who gave him the job, that he did not deserve and was not competent to undertake. Who intertwines their personal and professional business like this? Pathetic!
Jobs for the boys, the good old Saints
So out of the whole list of players ranked, you have chosen to dispute the 22 game (05) season of Aussie Jones the 2004 All Australian and suggest Milne who kicked 61 goals in 2005 (8th in the Coleman and most season goals in his career in 05) as not being at his peak?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Who is making things up Scollop?
Seriously you have very little idea or no clue at all.
Milne kicked 61 goals in 2005!!!
You love to make up BS on this forum like Treloar had nominated the Saints as his preferred destination (when leaving Collingwood), the funny thing is you accuse other posters of doing the same. Gaslight much?
Keep making up BS to support your GT worshiping, the guy was a failure who got the job under false pretences and could not get the best list in the AFL and the best I have seen assembled at St Kilda to a GF let alone a premiership.
Milne not at his peak = 61 goals, gee when was he at his peak???
Typical of someone who bases their posts on BS and has nothing to add when their post is debunked with a few facts.
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Yeah you did, you read it and replied, you just had no feasible response as your lies and stupidity were exposedScollop wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:53pmThat's a funny response. You're assuming I read your post. I cbf'dD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:45pmGreat response ScollopScollop wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:36pmSpare me JoffaD.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Sun 25 Aug 2024 5:32pm2004 - finish 3rdScollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:34pmWtf are you on about? He did build a legacy.D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:26pm
I don't rate GT at all, correctly or incorrectly, I believe a professional coach in 2004 & 2005 would have built a legacy.
He took a bottom 4 team up the ladder and he gave opportunities to young future leaders with his rotating captaincy policy.
The new bloke in 2007 was the beneficiary of that legacy and that group of future leaders who had already played off in 2 consecutive prelim finals
GT was sacked in October 2006 because the president of the football club wanted to take him to court 6 months later
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/st-kilda-b ... dq267.html
2005 - finish 4th
2006 - finish 6th
Clearly on the decline under GT and opposition had worked out the one trick pony.
Just like Geelong in the 90's, had the best list in the competition but the full on attacking game played could not get the job done in finals.
How that 04/05 list didn't win a GF let alone make one is mind blowing, incompetence!
Line that list up against the 09/10 list, no comparison.
But don't forget GT got us to two prelims with a core bunch of 19 & 20 YO -
As for Lyon being a rookie coach, yes he was a rookie with about 10 years experience as an assistant, not like that experienced GT who took Warnambool to a flag
Then there was the training services that GT controlled and the number of soft tissue injuries that were incurred but were miraculously rectified when Lyon brought in a professional in Dave Misson, and the way young players like Luke Ball were flogged, Ball was never the player he should have been if GT had allowed him to recover adequately instead of using his courage against him and continuing to play him.
GT borrowed money from Butterrs, the drug addled president and his best mate who gave him the job, that he did not deserve and was not competent to undertake. Who intertwines their personal and professional business like this? Pathetic!
Jobs for the boys, the good old Saints
So out of the whole list of players ranked, you have chosen to dispute the 22 game (05) season of Aussie Jones the 2004 All Australian and suggest Milne who kicked 61 goals in 2005 (8th in the Coleman and most season goals in his career in 05) as not being at his peak?Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 6:52pm Aussie Jones wasn't at his peak in 05. He was on his last legs...and most of the time he was legless
He was 30-50% less effective in the last year of his career.
Stephen Milne wasn't at his peak either.
You're making stuff up to suit your bs bias
In 2006 most footy journalists said the teams most likely to be Grand Finalists over the next few years were going to be St Kilda and Geelong.
We sacked our coach and set the team back 18 months... while Geelong restructured their football department and retained their head coach
Who is making things up Scollop?
Seriously you have very little idea or no clue at all.
Milne kicked 61 goals in 2005!!!
You love to make up BS on this forum like Treloar had nominated the Saints as his preferred destination (when leaving Collingwood), the funny thing is you accuse other posters of doing the same. Gaslight much?
Keep making up BS to support your GT worshiping, the guy was a failure who got the job under false pretences and could not get the best list in the AFL and the best I have seen assembled at St Kilda to a GF let alone a premiership.
Milne not at his peak = 61 goals, gee when was he at his peak???
Typical of someone who bases their posts on BS and has nothing to add when their post is debunked with a few facts.
Just like you'll read this and most likely give another pathetic response.
You have made a fool of yourself again Scollop, its not the first time, and wont be the last
Milne 61 goals in a season and not at his peak
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Re: GT on Twitter
Why?
Why would you continue to respond to me when you said you wouldn't....AND
Why would you think I care what you think?
Why would you continue to respond to me when you said you wouldn't....AND
Why would you think I care what you think?
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GT loves attention and this tweet is akin to what he does to obtain that.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
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In 2006 Geelong received the gifts of Selwood and Hawkins take your pick which one was wrapt.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 9:49pm St Kilda tripped up by sacking GT in 2006.
Instead of us maintaining our edge over the young Geelong...the internet tells me Ross Lyon failed to get the best from a team full of stars ready to contend.
The following was from The Age in 2009. "In late 2006, a senior coach from another club said coaching the St Kilda list was akin to being offered sex with Elle Macpherson."
The line about Elle is down towards the end of the section titled Brighton Cowboys
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sai ... e8430.html
NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
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Grant can go a stuff himself. Loser, moron,and yesterday's man. Just trying to nbe relevant and he isn't.WellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 23 Aug 2024 10:54am Was asked about whether this will be Membrey's last game.
Said 'should be'
Then began a big thread.
He said we'd be better trading Skunk for picks.
Said he'd trade King for 2 1st round picks.
Also said Sinclair and Steele should be shopped around while they have trade value.
Someone said 'no way, Sincs is a jet who sets an example'
To which GT replied 'sets an example don't think so'
also 'he can be selective' and 'not sure where he is when we get pummelled'
He reckons we need to get lots of picks in 2 yrs before Tassie gets in.
Also that there's a huge age gap between Sincs and the youngsters (Owens, Pou, NAS, etc) and when the youngies are in their peak, Sincs will be too old.
GT wants to get good teens in, to develop with the young guys we have.
GT, whether you love him or hate him, is all about hard-nosed business decisions. He said it's 'premiership-based, not short-term fan performance thing'
V interesting thread...
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There was talk on one of the footy shows that Melbourne are desperate to fix their forward line, and could potentially trade Kosi Pickett to Adelaide for a first rounder, then give us 2 first rounders for King.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:52am GT loves attention and this tweet is akin to what he does to obtain that.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
If that was possible you'd have to look at it.
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Footy shows ideas are like me looking at sports cars on carsales.com in case I win lotto. Pure fantasy.The_Dud wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:58amThere was talk on one of the footy shows that Melbourne are desperate to fix their forward line, and could potentially trade Kosi Pickett to Adelaide for a first rounder, then give us 2 first rounders for King.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:52am GT loves attention and this tweet is akin to what he does to obtain that.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
If that was possible you'd have to look at it.
Adelaide would never offer a first round for Pickett.
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Exactly.WellardSaint wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 12:53pmFooty shows ideas are like me looking at sports cars on carsales.com in case I win lotto. Pure fantasy.The_Dud wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:58amThere was talk on one of the footy shows that Melbourne are desperate to fix their forward line, and could potentially trade Kosi Pickett to Adelaide for a first rounder, then give us 2 first rounders for King.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:52am GT loves attention and this tweet is akin to what he does to obtain that.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
If that was possible you'd have to look at it.
Adelaide would never offer a first round for Pickett.
If the deal was there, we would likely snap it up.
Will the deal be there - in our dreams.
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Hypothetical:SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 1:56pmExactly.WellardSaint wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 12:53pmFooty shows ideas are like me looking at sports cars on carsales.com in case I win lotto. Pure fantasy.The_Dud wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:58amThere was talk on one of the footy shows that Melbourne are desperate to fix their forward line, and could potentially trade Kosi Pickett to Adelaide for a first rounder, then give us 2 first rounders for King.SydneySainter wrote: ↑Mon 26 Aug 2024 10:52am GT loves attention and this tweet is akin to what he does to obtain that.
However, looking at his tweet objectively, I think it would be a bad move to trade Sinclair and Steele. They’re heart and soul players, two of our best and we “need” their experience, now more than ever.
We tried that trading tactic with BJ and Dal Santo and all we got was a bag of lemons in return.
As for King, to be blunt, if we were to get two first rounders for him, I’d say it would be remiss to not look at it. However, who would give us two first rounders for him? I think it’s wishful thinking to suggest anyone would offer that, based on potential alone.
If that was possible you'd have to look at it.
Adelaide would never offer a first round for Pickett.
If the deal was there, we would likely snap it up.
Will the deal be there - in our dreams.
What if it was Pickett for Rachele?
Raschele and Melbourne's first pick for King?
Say we get first round for Battle.
In: (before FS and all the other BS)
Raschelle + #6 for King
# 8 for Battle
In - Raschele + #6 + #8
Out - Battle & King
Picks #7 + #8 +#9 + #22 to the draft
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Why are we offloading a 202cm power forward?
Are we building the forward line around the 88kg Cooper Sharman, Higgins and Butler
Spare me, that’d be the weakest forward line in it
Are we building the forward line around the 88kg Cooper Sharman, Higgins and Butler
Spare me, that’d be the weakest forward line in it
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King costs too much.
Has never gotten more than 6 or 8 touches in a game.
Has poor attitude and sulks for much of the game.
TOG means Time On Ground, King has a stat called TIG -Time In Grief
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