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Re: My Boy Coops

Post: # 2072401Post bigcarl »

Vortex wrote: Mon 29 Jul 2024 7:02am
B.M wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 3:25pm

Forwards live and die by the opportunities their mids give them

The other way around too, mids live and die by the options the forwards give them with their decisions making towards forward entries, when forwards don't present options, midfielders hesitate, they get indecisive, they panick, they give the opposition time to set up behind the ball, and guess what they do after all of that happens, THEY BOMB THE BALL INTO THE FORWARD LINE, just to get rid of the ball and make it someone else's problem.

Our forward entries have been predictable for years and fans have bemoaned the BOMB into the forward line just as long.

It's a two way street.

King has to learn a new trick over summer, like rucking, we need to move him out of the forward line in games when we need some unpredictability.
Good points. Having many viable, mobile targets - rather than just one (largely stationary and double teamed) - encourages dare and quick ball movement from upfield.

That is not to say that the midfield doesn’t need improvement. It does. But the two are interdependent


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Post: # 2072439Post B.M »

Did we need to move Tony Lockett out of the forward line to be less predictable

Should Carlton move Curnow out of the 50?

I’ll say it again
Just because Max is in the forward line doesn’t mean we MUST kick it to him

But he is a nice option when you have no other.


He kicked 48 as a 21yo

If he can bag 60 next year - we play finals

We have NO other forward capable of kicking 50


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B.M wrote: Mon 29 Jul 2024 4:05pm Did we need to move Tony Lockett out of the forward line to be less predictable

Should Carlton move Curnow out of the 50?

I’ll say it again
Just because Max is in the forward line doesn’t mean we MUST kick it to him

But he is a nice option when you have no other.


He kicked 48 as a 21yo

If he can bag 60 next year - we play finals

We have NO other forward capable of kicking 50
Marto, let me tell you that Max King is no Tony Lockett. He’s also got a way to go to get even to Curnow’s level.

Personally, I’m not arguing to have him out of the forward line. Just that we have to be very careful about its structure and always wary of being predictable.

I wouldn’t play him deep as a rule for instance. Needs to get out and on the move. Him deep with two blokes on him is a loser strategy and easily countered


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Post: # 2072450Post Sanctorum »

How Max King will be deployed once he is free of injury is the $64 million question arising out of the last two games against WC Eagles and Essendon. I was even thinking that this was yet another indication that the days of the tall key full forward might be over.

Cooper Sharman (193 cm, 88 kg) is a slimmer version of Stewart Loewe (194 cm 108 kg) but this enables him to leap for marks, and he's also a more reliable kick for goal than Buckets who took years to refine that skill.

He is currently on the rookie list and out of contract this year, but it's to be hoped that the club will elevate him with at least a 3 year deal on reasonable coin, because after Saturday's BOG performance other clubs will surely come knocking on his door.


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The comparison on King vs Lockett or Curnow is not about their ability

It’s about the stupid argument that the most dangerous forward shouldn’t play forward.

Sharman plays nothing like Loewe
Cooper is a medium forward, more like Jack Gunston or Bailey Fritch- he’s not even 90kg
Loewe was a power forward who monstered opponents with size and strength Loewe was 108 beast
Cooper moves around and jumps
Both have good dukes though


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To be our most dangerous forward, firstly King needs to kick straight. I've never been more nervous watching a key forward line up than I am with King.


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Trixilver wrote: Mon 29 Jul 2024 11:32pm To be our most dangerous forward, firstly King needs to kick straight. I've never been more nervous watching a key forward line up than I am with King.
Gold Coast know exactly how you feel. It's a twin thing

Ben King has kicked only 4 goals from his last 19 set shots. The other 9 were behinds and SIX went out on the full :shock:


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Scollop wrote: Tue 30 Jul 2024 2:06am

Gold Coast know exactly how you feel. It's a twin thing

Ben King has kicked only 4 goals from his last 19 set shots. The other 9 were behinds and SIX went out on the full :shock:
In not playing Max is the better King - lol!


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Ben up until 3 weeks ago was dead eye

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When Max had his eye in… he had 2-3 months of just being lethal in terms of accuracy


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Cooper Sharman reminds me a lot of Jeremy Cameron when he has a day out - just needs to do it more often


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Vortex wrote: Sat 27 Jul 2024 8:15pm King should be worried!
King should be traded, even if he only fetches a third rounder.


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Post: # 2073141Post silverhalo »

Back to the old Cooper Sharman again today...........until he improves his consistency he's of no use to us


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silverhalo wrote: Sun 04 Aug 2024 9:37pm Back to the old Cooper Sharman again today...........until he improves his consistency he's of no use to us
Puts in a good game about every 20 games.


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Post: # 2073148Post Devilhead »

Yes it's all Cooper's fault that we got smashed in clearances and contested possessions and couldn't hit the side of a barn door going forward

Damn you Sharman!!


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Devilhead wrote: Sun 04 Aug 2024 10:33pm Yes it's all Cooper's fault that we got smashed in clearances and contested possessions and couldn't hit the side of a barn door going forward

Damn you Sharman!!
Not a good day for forwards. No supply. Butler and Higgins had 10 touches between them.

Sharman got 9 possessions.

Mason Wood and Bradley Hill play up the ground. What's their excuse?


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Post: # 2073153Post Otiman »

I thought Sharman competed well today, won a few balls at ground level, and was clearly targeted by the opposition after his performance last week.

The biggest difference is Brisbane's ability to shut down space inside D50, we haven't got an answer to that.


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Post: # 2073168Post repta »

Saints were missing 5m handballs today.
Saints managed to pick out 3 on 1s and bullseye the 1 with uncanny accuracy (same they had a lion on the chest).

It was infectious. I can't count the number of times played ran under the ball or misjudged it (all of which in saints colours).
Bad execution. Bad anticipation.
Not only Sharman.
Not a forwards day today.


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As I wrote

Forwards live and die by midfield supply and delivery


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Post: # 2073193Post repta »

Sharman doesn't have loewe main weapon. Baseball mit hands.
Sharman is a replacement Membrey.

Needs time to develop. Definitely not ready for the number 1 (or 2) key back.
Needs some size to be more consistent. It will come.


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B.M wrote: Mon 05 Aug 2024 8:22am As I wrote

Forwards live and die by midfield supply and delivery
How easy is it to be a forward, put in a poor performance and place accountability on other players...an interesting team concept.

I suppose that gave our backs an excuse yesterday also then huh?


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We were beaten everywhere. Sure, the midfield was obliterated, but they didn’t have a lot to kick to, either.

We have very few winners in any part of the ground. Overall, a poor team performance against a genuine premiership contender.


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Yeah Cooper had a bad day, as opposed to everyone else in the forwardline!

*facepalm*


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Post: # 2073207Post Vortex »

bigcarl wrote: Mon 05 Aug 2024 10:47am
We were beaten everywhere.


Everywhere!

So it doesn't make sense that the midfield have the bone pointed exclusively at them.

Back on the forwards,

They were proper beaten, and by an oppo defence not at full strength.

Coops puts in a good game every 15 games, is that enough?

Yeah, yeah, I know he's afforded the Max King excuses, he's only young, big men take longer to develop, I get it.

5 goals though, sheez!

Hard to win games when 5 goals is all you can deliver.


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Post: # 2073213Post Sanctorum »

Cooper Sharman didn't just play as a forward, he also popped up in defence and on the wings, presumably under instruction from the coaches box. He shouldn't be crucified because the team as a whole was unable to get hands on the ball first, nor withstand the dominance of the Lions all over the ground.

On yesterdays form the Lions would have beaten every other contender for this year's premiership, truly awesome!

The writing was on the wall in the first quarter when unlike last week against Essendon they missed several set shots on goal which, if they'd converted, would have seen them just 5 points down at 1/4 time.

Brisbane scoring a massive 77 points from turnovers killed St Kilda indicating poor disposal and lack of pressure.

This was a flogging that will pose some critical analysis by the coaches and football operations to make decisions on the coaching panel and playing list so that this sort of performance does not carry through to 2025.


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