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Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072218Post CURLY »

No idea why people throw up stats alone as a measure of a players worth.

Contested possession
Disposal efficiency
Score involvments
Tackles

All bulls***


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

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Of course they are


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Post: # 2072229Post skeptic »

Are there any particular stats that are bothering you at the moment Curly?

Something on your mind perhaps 🤔


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072235Post CURLY »

skeptic wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 3:24pm Are there any particular stats that are bothering you at the moment Curly?

Something on your mind perhaps 🤔
Contested possessions are easily the worst


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072236Post B.M »

I’d rather get 30 than 15

Lay 10 tackles than 5

Have 90% DE instead of 50%

Stats measure performance


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072238Post CURLY »

B.M wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 3:31pm I’d rather get 30 than 15

Lay 10 tackles than 5

Have 90% DE instead of 50%

Stats measure performance
Not on their own they don’t.


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

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CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 3:41pm
B.M wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 3:31pm I’d rather get 30 than 15

Lay 10 tackles than 5

Have 90% DE instead of 50%

Stats measure performance
Not on their own they don’t.
Be specific captain obvious

General statements are garbage as well

Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?

Tell us who you thought were our best players and why

I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote


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Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious

General statements are garbage as well

Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?

Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why

I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote

Didn’t realise I was required to vote.

Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.


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CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:16pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious

General statements are garbage as well

Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?

Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why

I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote

Didn’t realise I was required to vote.

Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.
You started a fkn thread. You weren't 'required' to start it

Why bother if you don't want to be specific


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

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Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:18pm
CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:16pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:11pm Be specific captain obvious

General statements are garbage as well

Did you watch the game yesterday CURLY?

Tell us who you thought were our best players yesterday and why

I noticed you haven't voted in the votes thread. Do you pick and choose when to vote? Are you planning to vote

Didn’t realise I was required to vote.

Yes I’ve watched the replay and we played well . The stats call is a general observation of all games and as I said contested possessions the matrix of such is bulls***.
You started a fkn thread. You weren't 'required' to start it

Why bother if you don't want to be specific

I’ve posted 3 times the matrix of these stats are bulls***.

A contested possession is nothing like an actual contested majority of the time. The same with tackles.


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072254Post B.M »

Here I was thinking

That games are generally won or lost in the contest

Brad Scott lamented his teams lack of contest as the reason why they were poor


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

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B.M wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:43pm Here I was thinking

That games are generally won or lost in the contest

Brad Scott lamented his teams lack of contest as the reason why they were poor
Not what I’m saying. A contested ball is measured and there’s no one actually near them most of the time. It’s ridiculous


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072262Post skeptic »

Let’s try this…

Why is this on your mind Curly?


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072263Post Scollop »

I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072270Post D.B.Cooper »

Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game
It is very difficult to comprehend what Mr/ Mrs Football is stating, as he/she operates at a level of intricate football knowledge above any other forum member.

I think what ‘they’ are trying to state, is the collective of the data, and what constitutes a stat is the issue, not the multiple of the stat.

For example: if you are standing next to a player at a boundary throw in and the ball is hit directly to them and you wrap your arms around them you record a tackle, the same stat as a 20mt run down goal saving tackle.

If you do a quick on line search you’ll most likely find an article from where he/she has garnered their opinion, but he/she is not able to articulate their reworded version.


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skeptic wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm Let’s try this…

Why is this on your mind Curly?
Daicos had 3 contested possessions in the first 5 minutes. Not one was he in a contested situation. The way these stats are measured are just not a true indication of a player.

Someone ratting off stats to judge a players game or ability is just not a satisfactory way to do so.


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Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game

I like this Mr Football.

Cheers


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072282Post D.B.Cooper »

CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:21pm
skeptic wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm Let’s try this…

Why is this on your mind Curly?
Daicos had 3 contested possessions in the first 5 minutes. Not one was he in a contested situation. The way these stats are measured are just not a true indication of a player.
OMG, I speak Curly 😂

To be fair he/ she did pretty well, it only took them 7 posts to articulate their point, that would be a record.
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What about free kick stats?


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Post: # 2072284Post D.B.Cooper »

CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game

I like this Mr Football.

Cheers
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Post: # 2072286Post CURLY »

D.B.Cooper wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pm
CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:21pm
skeptic wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm Let’s try this…

Why is this on your mind Curly?
Daicos had 3 contested possessions in the first 5 minutes. Not one was he in a contested situation. The way these stats are measured are just not a true indication of a player.
OMG, I speak Curly 😂

Unfortunately to many run to stats and use them as there only justification as to a players performance.


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D.B.Cooper wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:26pm
CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game

I like this Mr Football.

Cheers
You missed a bit….Mr Football

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I don’t claim to be the oracle DB like yourself. These are just observations and clearly old Scollop must be a SuperCoach player


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

Post: # 2072289Post Scollop »

Once you pick up a loose ground ball, it's a contested possession and rightly so.

You actually have possession of a 'contested' footy without competing against someone to win the ball, but getting it on your boot and disposing of it is another thing.

There's heat, there's speed on the game, and you only have a split second to make a decision on what to do with it.


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D.B.Cooper wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:26pm
CURLY wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 5:24pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024 4:57pm I used to love reading some of the quality in depth footy discussion on this forum. There were lots of people who provided quality and clarity

And then...there's CURLY. Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind... but he just can't communicate wtf he's on about

Are you afraid of criticising one of our players or maybe offending someone here?

Give us something CURLS. Make it specific to our fkn game yesterday or to ANY fkn player in ANY fkn game

I like this Mr Football.

Cheers
You missed a bit….Mr Football

Self appointed Mr Football in his own mind

I don’t claim to be the oracle DB like yourself. These are just observations and clearly old Scollop must be a SuperCoach player


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Re: Stats are a garbage argument

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Points kicked for and against

Garbage

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