Mitch Owens

[Scollop]

He was terrific today. Equal best for score involvements + goal assists with 8 and 3. That's the same as Steele (he's pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded) and Cooper Sharman

Owens had the most Inside 50's of any player with 5. He took 9 marks. 3 contested. 4 marks were inside 50.

Some people need to be reminded. He's only 20 years of age. He's a jet.

Although bit harsh on Steele.

I was being facetious... that's the rubbish people were posting 6-8 weeks ago when we copped some losses.

What I loved about today was the team ethic. The work rate. The hunger. The connection. The skills and especially the growth and improvement from our young stars like Nas, Wilson and Michito

[mad saint guy]

I have no doubt Mitch can carve out a very nice career as a medium forward, but geeze I'd like to see him train as a mid all pre season and have a couple of months in the guts to see if he can become our Fyfe/Bont style mid. Maybe he just lacks the game sense and class to play that role but it wouldn't surprise me if he became a game breaking power mid instead of a handy power forward.

[skeptic]

I have no doubt Mitch can carve out a very nice career as a medium forward, but geeze I'd like to see him train as a mid all pre season and have a couple of months in the guts to see if he can become our Fyfe/Bont style mid. Maybe he just lacks the game sense and class to play that role but it wouldn't surprise me if he became a game breaking power mid instead of a handy power forward.

It’s a real challenge because you want him to build up strength/muscle/power alongside aerobic capacity to do what you’re suggesting.

Glad to leave that puzzle to the sports scientists

[Sainter_Dad]

He was terrific today. Equal best for score involvements + goal assists with 8 and 3. That's the same as Steele (he's pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded) and Cooper Sharman

Owens had the most Inside 50's of any player with 5. He took 9 marks. 3 contested. 4 marks were inside 50.

Some people need to be reminded. He's only 20 years of age. He's a jet.

Although bit harsh on Steele.

Ummmm - as I read it - the Steele comment was a dig at the posters who have posted that Steele is pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded - Not Scollop's opinion of Captain Jack

[mr six o'clock]

Mentioned this in the WCE match thread, but who teaches these blokes how to kick for goal? Or perhaps it's who's not helping them break bad habits?

His ball drop is so bizarre, when I saw this it is pretty obvious why he is one of our worst shots on goal.
 

He needs stewie loewe to mentor him .
As we know stewie was a Goal / Out on the Full , set shot kick early in his career who became much improved by the end of his career.

[mad saint guy]

Mentioned this in the WCE match thread, but who teaches these blokes how to kick for goal? Or perhaps it's who's not helping them break bad habits?

His ball drop is so bizarre, when I saw this it is pretty obvious why he is one of our worst shots on goal.
 

I shake my head in disbelief every time I see him holding the top of the ball like that as he's lining up for goal. So much potential for error with that grip

[Scollop]

Mich played a great game yesterday. He had multiple roles. Could have challenged for best on ground if he nailed those set shots.

Coaches played Owens around the footy yesterday. It was good to see him at stoppages. His heat map shows he spent a third of the time in defence.

It was strategic and both he and Stocker were important to muscle their way against Durham, Stringer and Draper.

[St Dave]

He was terrific today. Equal best for score involvements + goal assists with 8 and 3. That's the same as Steele (he's pathetic/should be stripped of the captaincy and/or traded) and Cooper Sharman

Owens had the most Inside 50's of any player with 5. He took 9 marks. 3 contested. 4 marks were inside 50.

Sure ...he needs to improve in some areas...people need to be reminded. He's only 20 years of age. He's a jet.

I don't know if he looks natural kicking ever, but I think he is making the right decisions and when he stops to take a set shot he gets in his head. He hit a dart assist last night and was it last week he for a goal in the run from a reasonably tough angle? Even his set shots last night, the one he got was so much harder than his other attempts, he might be overthinking it

[B.M]

The harder the shot, the less the pressure

It’s like a 16ft putt

Vs a 4 footer

[Scollop]

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I hope Goddard and Lyon give Owens another shot at playing as an inside mid against Richmond

This hasn't been brought up in other threads as far as I am aware, so thought it needed discussing

Ross had Mich Owens in the middle from the start of the game against Brisbane. That's something that should have been done 10 weeks ago.

Why play Mich against a star studded midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft and not ease hin in with a confidence booster against a team near us on the ladder?

The best way to prove a point that Mich isn't suited to playing up the ground is to kill his confidence by selectively trying him out against the top teams in the league.

[bigcarl]

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I hope Goddard and Lyon give Owens another shot at playing as an inside mid against Richmond

This hasn't been brought up in other threads as far as I am aware, so thought it needed discussing

Ross had Mich Owens in the middle from the start of the game against Brisbane. That's something that should have been done 10 weeks ago.

Why play Mich against a star studded midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft and not ease hin in with a confidence booster against a team near us on the ladder?

The best way to prove a point that Mich isn't suited to playing up the ground is to kill his confidence by selectively trying him out against the top teams in the league.

Set up to fail do you think?

Agree that we should give it another shot. We need to know by the end of the season if he can do that role.

[Scollop]

Against Essendon he was one of our best, but his role suddenly changed completely for the game against Brisbane.

Talk about setting you up for failure.

Owens did not attend ANY centre bounces against Essendon. He didn't support Rowan Marshall in the ruck against Essendon either. Caminiti did the ruckwork.

Against Brisbane he lined up in the middle as a pure midfielder with Caminiti in ruck and Marshall in ruck. He attended 9 ctre bounces for 1 ctre clearance.

Owens was also involved in a few ruck contests himself, but that was predominantly at stoppages.

All of our mids were struggling. The main problem imo is the obvious instructions from Lyon that you must restrict and defend first, and hunting the footy is secondary. It's a losing strategy

[Scollop]

Talk about setting you up for failure.

I was writing my previous post and noticed that bigcarl thought of the same thing

The fact that Ross is trying players in different roles is good for the team and good for individual player's development.

I just hope he persists with Mich in the middle for the next 3 weeks. But not as a ruckman all the time.

[Scollop]

You can't have a yo-yo plan where 1 week you're playing one role and next week you're in another. We saw what happened with Cooper Sharman playing all over the place early in the year. It didn't help the team and it didn't help Cooper

Cooper was the sub in a couple of games and not really allowed time in the forward line. Cooper went down back as well when Howard was injured, so he didn't settle in his preferred position.

When Cooper was allowed to settle in one role at VFL level or AFL level he thrived.

[Otiman]

You can't have a yo-yo plan where 1 week you're playing one role and next week you're in another. We saw what happened with Cooper Sharman playing all over the place early in the year. It didn't help the team and it didn't help Cooper

Cooper was the sub in a couple of games and not really allowed time in the forward line. Cooper went down back as well when Howard was injured, so he didn't settle in his preferred position.

When Cooper was allowed to settle in one role at VFL level or AFL level he thrived.

Battle another.

The swingman role should be a late career role only.

Cordy a good example.

[tony74]

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I hope Goddard and Lyon give Owens another shot at playing as an inside mid against Richmond

This hasn't been brought up in other threads as far as I am aware, so thought it needed discussing

Ross had Mich Owens in the middle from the start of the game against Brisbane. That's something that should have been done 10 weeks ago.

Why play Mich against a star studded midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft and not ease hin in with a confidence booster against a team near us on the ladder?

The best way to prove a point that Mich isn't suited to playing up the ground is to kill his confidence by selectively trying him out against the top teams in the league.

Set up to fail do you think?

Agree that we should give it another shot. We need to know by the end of the season if he can do that role.

I doubt it. Pretty battered and sore is our Mitch

[Vortex]

I'd like to see Max King play as a small defender, as a giraffe he's incredibly good below his knees and chasing small dogs in a park.

Hopefully Ross is encouraging him to visit Melbourne parks to build his confidence as a small defender.

[The Fireman]

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I hope Goddard and Lyon give Owens another shot at playing as an inside mid against Richmond

This hasn't been brought up in other threads as far as I am aware, so thought it needed discussing

Ross had Mich Owens in the middle from the start of the game against Brisbane. That's something that should have been done 10 weeks ago.

Why play Mich against a star studded midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft and not ease hin in with a confidence booster against a team near us on the ladder?

The best way to prove a point that Mich isn't suited to playing up the ground is to kill his confidence by selectively trying him out against the top teams in the league.

Set up to fail do you think?

Agree that we should give it another shot. We need to know by the end of the season if he can do that role.

I doubt it. Pretty battered and sore is our Mitch

Tony what is the feeling or the language after that debacle ? among the players and officials ?
any positives or ongoing focuses ?

[bigcarl]

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I hope Goddard and Lyon give Owens another shot at playing as an inside mid against Richmond

This hasn't been brought up in other threads as far as I am aware, so thought it needed discussing

Ross had Mich Owens in the middle from the start of the game against Brisbane. That's something that should have been done 10 weeks ago.

Why play Mich against a star studded midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft and not ease hin in with a confidence booster against a team near us on the ladder?

The best way to prove a point that Mich isn't suited to playing up the ground is to kill his confidence by selectively trying him out against the top teams in the league.

Set up to fail do you think?

Agree that we should give it another shot. We need to know by the end of the season if he can do that role.

I doubt it. Pretty battered and sore is our Mitch

A midfield of Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, and Ashcroft would have that effect, I guess, but that’s the level we need to aspire to.

We’ve a long way to go to approach that and - unless you count Phillipou - there doesn’t seem much in the way of big, powerful midfielders coming through. Well, there’s Windhager … but he’s more the defensive/stopper type.

More than anything we need playmakers. The type that oppositions need to worry about rather than the reverse.

Not saying that necessarily is Mitchito, but we won’t know unless he gets a decent shot at it

[SteeleSaints]

I agree Mitch needs some serious help with the way he is holding the ball and his ball drop. He has been seriously out of form for most of the year and,at any other club that arent desparate to get games into their kids he would have played a lot of VFL games. I can't believe a professional football club can allow a kid the kick the ball like that.

[tony74]

David Wheadon has done a lot of work with him

[Scollop]

I can't believe a professional football club can allow a kid the kick the ball like that.

We recruited a guy from Richmond to play for us - as a specialist small forward - and 6 years into his career he still struggles with his set shot kicking routine

[chook23]

David Wheadon has done a lot of work with him

Can not be too much Tony
Owens hand placement on ball when kicking for goal is terrible

[Yorkeys]

David Wheadon has done a lot of work with him

It will pay off. Improvement is noticeable.