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Mattaes Phillipou was on both Warner and Heeney at varying times in the first three quarters and he let them slip away. But he was not playing a hard tag role and was in an outside role rather than an in and under role (played by Jack Steele). In the last quarter, he was matched to Rowbottom, who played wide of him. It meant they were both free on the outside. The ball came to Mattaes Phillipou and he used it to perfection with his foot. By and large, Sydney played as if their players would always beat our players. That doesn't take into account misses for goal, including four posters - as we have found out many times in the past. Looking at the replay, I though Jack Sinclair was one of our best mainly because of his use of the ball when he got it, which he did 28 times with 16 kicks.
Untrue Steele had Heeney.
Heeney attended two centre bounces in the last quarter. One he was matched up on Clark and one (the final one after we went in front) Pou took him.
Pou had Rowbottom then Warner then Heeney at bounces in the last
Of course there are times when players cross over or hand over but the match up was Steele to Heeney.
You speak with so much authority shutting people down, but where is the data to back it up?
The matchup can't be purely Steele to Heeney if he doesn't line up against him at the key centre bounces. When the game was in doubt in the last Steele was lined up on Warner twice as well as Adams, Rowbottom and Gulden.
When Heeney went forward Steele didn't go with him and when he was in the middle it was Clark and Pou.
Just because some commentator said it at some point during the match doesn't make it true. Trust your eyes not someone paid to fill silence. Happy for you to prove me wrong by watching back and reporting how many times they lined up against each other at stoppage.
You realise players go on and off the ground at various times and of course the match up is different when Heeney goes forward.
In a reply to a post commending Pous performance on two gun mids you said 4 words 'Untrue Steele had Heeney'.
I have to commend that now, on being asked to back up that statement with evidence, you seem to have softened on that absolute stance, but are you now saying you can't do that because Heeney and Steele were never on the ground at the same time? Or maybe that when Heeney and Steele were on the ground at the same time Heeney was playing forward?
Just acknowledge that Pou (and the rest of the midfield) did a great job head to head with a top midfield. I have been wanting to see the coaches do something exciting with the midfield all year and they finally do, backing in the whole rotation to go head to head, so it is reductive (and wrong as pointed out) to attribute it all to one player.
The mid field did a fantastic job no one is suggesting other wise. What I’m saying is the midfield match up was Heeney v Steele. No it wasn’t 100% game time but our coaching group wanted that match up as often as possible.
You keep saying the midfield match up was Heeney v Steele but you aren't providing any evidence to back up that claim.
Are you secretly a coach? That the coaches wanted that matchup as often as possible is another new assertion without evidence, and given that Steele didn't go to Heeney at any centre bounce in the last quarter (at least), that also sounds made up
Of the first 5 centre bounces Heeney and Steel engage each other 4 times .
Steele also was with Heeney at the one defensive ball up for StKilda.
That’s the first quarter.
Thanks for coming back with facts Curly, now we can start to have a discussion about what really happened rather than vibes. Don't act like you are the first one to give evidence though, I gave you the whole last quarter in my first response.
Your first quarter is spot on, 5 center bounces, they both attended all of them and it was SvH in 4 of them.
For the second quarter though you might have meant to say SvH only happened two times, because for the second quarter there were 8 CBs, they both attended all of them, but they only went head to head twice. Sincs took Heeney 4 times and Clark and Pou once each.
In the third Heeney started going forward, so he only attended 3 of 9 CBs, but Clark took him once and Pou twice. Steele went to all CBs
In the fourth Heeney only came to 2 of 5 CBs for Clark and Pou to take him. Steele went to all CBs
Overall Heeney came to 18 of the 27 CBs, but Steele only took him 6 times so not really a set match up. The last time they went head to head in the center was after the McInerney goal 20 mins in to the second, and Henry went to 8 more CBs after that. Interestingly, that was the start of the swans putting on 5 goals to end the quarter, so maybe Steele should have stayed on him, but clearly the coaches wanted a change and backed the change in because they never matched up again.
Sincs had Heeney 5 times to half time but the coaches clearly didn't like that after the run of goals so Pou and Clark took him after that and we started getting on top as a result.
Totals for Heeney: 6 Steele, 5 Sincs, 4 Pou, 3 Clark
For Steele: Rowbottom 9, Heeney 6, Warner 6, Gulden 3, Papley 2, Adams 1.