Windhager 50

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

Post Reply
CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Windhager 50

Post: # 2066840Post CURLY »

Showed the 50 against Windhager on AFL360 and what a f****** disgrace.

He was in the area and stepped back to take the mark he never ran into the area at all.

It was a blatant error or cheating to gift Brisbane a goal.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
Banger9798
SS Life Member
Posts: 2699
Joined: Sun 25 Apr 2021 9:43pm
Has thanked: 689 times
Been thanked: 766 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066846Post Banger9798 »

Yep, , absolute bulls***


The Artist formerly known as Fugazi
User avatar
King Max
Club Player
Posts: 557
Joined: Fri 28 Dec 2018 11:37am
Has thanked: 92 times
Been thanked: 192 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066856Post King Max »

Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.


CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066857Post CURLY »

King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
User avatar
King Max
Club Player
Posts: 557
Joined: Fri 28 Dec 2018 11:37am
Has thanked: 92 times
Been thanked: 192 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066860Post King Max »

CURLY wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:29pm
King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.
That was clearly wrong and she has been rightly blasted on all the media outlets.
It also puts into perspective their messaging last week around the Max King free kick.


Brunswicksainter
Club Player
Posts: 525
Joined: Mon 15 May 2017 7:18pm
Has thanked: 36 times
Been thanked: 69 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066861Post Brunswicksainter »

That north non 50 call is the worst umpire blunder I have seen in at least a decade.


CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066871Post CURLY »

King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 11:10pm
CURLY wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:29pm
King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.
That was clearly wrong and she has been rightly blasted on all the media outlets.
It also puts into perspective their messaging last week around the Max King free kick.

Yes the King explanation was baffling. Yes it was a hold which is against the rules but we would prefer that not to be paid.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
User avatar
The_Dud
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13582
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
Location: Bendigo
Has thanked: 1308 times
Been thanked: 2019 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066875Post The_Dud »

Clear and blatant 50 and correctly paid, the time of the game should be irrelevant.

How many different umpiring threads to you need to start?


All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066876Post CURLY »

The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:56am Clear and blatant 50 and correctly paid, the time of the game should be irrelevant.

How many different umpiring threads to you need to start?
No it wasnt he didnt enter the protected area he was already in it and stepped back to where he thought the mark was.

No interruption in play no warning no call to come back.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
B.M
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 11581
Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 2523 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066877Post B.M »

Thought this for his 50th game

Isn’t that this week?!


User avatar
The_Dud
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13582
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
Location: Bendigo
Has thanked: 1308 times
Been thanked: 2019 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066882Post The_Dud »

CURLY wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:58am
The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:56am Clear and blatant 50 and correctly paid, the time of the game should be irrelevant.

How many different umpiring threads to you need to start?
No it wasnt he didnt enter the protected area he was already in it and stepped back to where he thought the mark was.

No interruption in play no warning no call to come back.
He wasn't in the contest and stood 5m over the mark.

Most clear-cut 50 you will ever see.

The Collingwood one should have been 50 also, clearly a f-up.


All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
User avatar
King Max
Club Player
Posts: 557
Joined: Fri 28 Dec 2018 11:37am
Has thanked: 92 times
Been thanked: 192 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066884Post King Max »

The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 10:24am
CURLY wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:58am
The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:56am Clear and blatant 50 and correctly paid, the time of the game should be irrelevant.

How many different umpiring threads to you need to start?
No it wasnt he didnt enter the protected area he was already in it and stepped back to where he thought the mark was.

No interruption in play no warning no call to come back.
He wasn't in the contest and stood 5m over the mark.

Most clear-cut 50 you will ever see.

The Collingwood one should have been 50 also, clearly a f-up.
5m over the mark is an exaggeration.

If you thought that was the most clear cut 50 you will ever see, you didn't see the Collingwood one.

Oh, you did see the Collingwood one, I guess you're just trolling.


User avatar
The_Dud
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13582
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
Location: Bendigo
Has thanked: 1308 times
Been thanked: 2019 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066885Post The_Dud »

King Max wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 10:40am
The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 10:24am
CURLY wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:58am
The_Dud wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 9:56am Clear and blatant 50 and correctly paid, the time of the game should be irrelevant.

How many different umpiring threads to you need to start?
No it wasnt he didnt enter the protected area he was already in it and stepped back to where he thought the mark was.

No interruption in play no warning no call to come back.
He wasn't in the contest and stood 5m over the mark.

Most clear-cut 50 you will ever see.

The Collingwood one should have been 50 also, clearly a f-up.
5m over the mark is an exaggeration.

If you thought that was the most clear cut 50 you will ever see, you didn't see the Collingwood one.

Oh, you did see the Collingwood one, I guess you're just trolling.
I clearly said the Collingwood one should have been 50.

So who's trolling?


All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
User avatar
King Max
Club Player
Posts: 557
Joined: Fri 28 Dec 2018 11:37am
Has thanked: 92 times
Been thanked: 192 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066886Post King Max »

Yes, but 2 players running 10m over the mark is not as clear cut a 50 as Windhager standing in the wrong spot?

Or did I misinterpret "Most clear-cut 50 you will ever see."?


saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 22781
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 8695 times
Been thanked: 3803 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066887Post saynta »

CURLY wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:29pm
King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.
Sad to say but she is not up to the job and should be sacked.


User avatar
Sanctorum
Club Player
Posts: 1834
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
Has thanked: 1448 times
Been thanked: 970 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066911Post Sanctorum »

saynta wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 11:22am
CURLY wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:29pm
King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.
Sad to say but she is not up to the job and should be sacked.
Funny you should say that saynta.

Last night when Mark Robinson on AFL 360 went into a long and loud rant over the North non-50m penalty he put on this squeaky female sounding voice mimicking Laura Kane's comments defending the umpire's decision...I wondered if in retrospect he thought he might have gone over the top???


"To do good is noble. To tell others to do good is even nobler and much less trouble.."

Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 22781
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 8695 times
Been thanked: 3803 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066927Post saynta »

Sanctorum wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 6:28pm
saynta wrote: Tue 18 Jun 2024 11:22am
CURLY wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:29pm
King Max wrote: Mon 17 Jun 2024 10:10pm Windhager's problem wasn't that he came through the area. It was because he was about 3m in front of where the ball was marked and only took half a step back which made it pretty obvious he was over the mark.

I don't think that is paid every time without a warning but he gave the umpire the option of paying 50m whereas another step back and he probably doesn't pay it.
Yet Laura Kanes justified the North non call by saying the umpire never said stand.
Sad to say but she is not up to the job and should be sacked.
Funny you should say that saynta.

Last night when Mark Robinson on AFL 360 went into a long and loud rant over the North non-50m penalty he put on this squeaky female sounding voice mimicking Laura Kane's comments defending the umpire's decision...I wondered if in retrospect he thought he might have gone over the top???
If he did go over the top, who cares? Not I.


StPeter
Club Player
Posts: 1254
Joined: Thu 22 Jun 2006 4:03pm
Location: StKilda East
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 225 times
Contact:

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066937Post StPeter »

The Winhager (non) 50 was just as significant as the North/ Collingwood one.

Totally changed the momentum of the game when we were only 7 points down and closing fast.

interesting that it came after half time and after the quick 3 frees against Windhager.

As one of the commentators remarked ( I can't remember who), the umpires have clearly been spoken to by their representative about Windhager's

close tagging on Neale. Over correction?


User avatar
meher baba
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7134
Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
Location: Tasmania
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 478 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066940Post meher baba »

I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.


"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
User avatar
D.B.Cooper
Club Player
Posts: 1758
Joined: Sun 24 Oct 2021 5:50pm
Has thanked: 678 times
Been thanked: 636 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066942Post D.B.Cooper »

meher baba wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 6:39am I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.
Good post.

I attended the match and immediately said to my boys that’s 50.

I think Windhager knew what he was doing but expected to be called back to the mark.

I think in most cases the player gets called back, but this time we paid the price. This is the problem when umpires pick and choose when to pay and when to ignore the infringement.

It’s either 50 every time or a warning then 50.
Problem with the warning is coaches then instruct this time wasting tactic at every mark, free kick etc.

The Collingwood one was a shocker.
The players looked confused at whether the mark was legitimate and the umpire appeared to compensate for that confusion. Terrible decision.
I wonder if one of the umpires would have called 50 if Scott didn’t play on or if Scott stood his ground and pointed out the two players infringing the mark?


There's only one rule in the jungle! When the LYON's hungry, he eats!
CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066944Post CURLY »

meher baba wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 6:39am I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.
He didnt run over the mark at all he came from with in the protected area.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
User avatar
The_Dud
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13582
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
Location: Bendigo
Has thanked: 1308 times
Been thanked: 2019 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066946Post The_Dud »

CURLY wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 9:26am
meher baba wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 6:39am I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.
He didnt run over the mark at all he came from with in the protected area.
...and stood 5m over the mark! :shock:


All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
CURLY
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9685
Joined: Fri 16 Feb 2007 3:24pm
Location: WARBURTON
Has thanked: 135 times
Been thanked: 1242 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066947Post CURLY »

The_Dud wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 9:57am
CURLY wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 9:26am
meher baba wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 6:39am I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.
He didnt run over the mark at all he came from with in the protected area.
...and stood 5m over the mark! :shock:
He was already there an umpire without an agenda would have said come back. But nope bang.


NO IFS OR BUTS HARVS IS KING OF THE AFL
User avatar
The_Dud
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13582
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
Location: Bendigo
Has thanked: 1308 times
Been thanked: 2019 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066951Post The_Dud »

CURLY wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 10:16am
The_Dud wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 9:57am
CURLY wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 9:26am
meher baba wrote: Wed 19 Jun 2024 6:39am I’m with The Dud on this.

Watching the game, I felt it was going to be a 50 before it was played. He wasn’t in the marking contest and he ran to completely the wrong spot. They might have directed him to run 5m back to the actual spot, but It was open to them to interpret his action as deliberately trying to slow down the play, and they did.

Perhaps Windhager just inadvertently ran to the wrong spot. If so, bad luck for him. But I have to say that it looked like a deliberate ploy to slow down the play.

If you don’t want a 50 paid against you, stand on the right spot. It surely isn’t that hard.

The failure to give a 50 against the Pies was a far worse piece of umpiring IMO.

As for the King decision against the GC. All of the armchair experts who say it wasn’t there - including the AFL - neglect to point out that the only close up footage of the incident is obscured by the goal post at a crucial point. Why the AFL decided to hang one of the umps out to dry on the basis of that evidence bewilders me.

McLachlan was right to admit the goal umpire error in Adelaide last year because it determined finals places, was abysmally poor work by the ump and was plainly there for all to see. But this doesn’t mean that the AFL needs to explain/excuse every game-determining umpiring decision. It should back its employees.

What about the good old “the umpires are best-placed to make these calls”? It’s actually true for the most part. The AFL should run with that line.
He didnt run over the mark at all he came from with in the protected area.
...and stood 5m over the mark! :shock:
He was already there an umpire without an agenda would have said come back. But nope bang.
#learntherules


All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
Yorkeys
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4684
Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2017 1:16pm
Has thanked: 1346 times
Been thanked: 1350 times

Re: Windhager 50

Post: # 2066952Post Yorkeys »

Passive acceptance of injustice is rather foolish. Taking the side of forces that work against you is really dumb, no matter how badly a person might wish to point score.


Post Reply