Momentum killers

[nostalgicsaint]

In key moments we lost momentum last night.....

Seb Ross kick out on the full after butlers run down tackle was disgusting.

As was Bonners miss.

Jones free kick (stupid)

Marshall free kick (unlucky)

I'm sure there were others. Any one one of those don't happen and who knows what happens.

Jones, Ross, Bonner no where near our best side. I'd drop them in that order.

[saynta]

In key moments we lost momentum last night.....

Seb Ross kick out on the full after butlers run down tackle was disgusting.

As was Bonners miss.

Jones free kick (stupid)

Marshall free kick (unlucky)

I'm sure there were others. Any one one of those don't happen and who knows what happens.

Jones, Ross, Bonner no where near our best side. I'd drop them in that order.

Sadly, I gave to agree with you re Seb. The other two are definitely spuds,

[CURLY]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

[The_Dud]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

Was exactly the same as the one Higgins got in the last.

Seb’s possession is just too costly.

[Scollop]

The free against Marshall was technically correct because unfortunately RoMa didn't contest. RoMa didn't make an attempt to mark it himself

You can't look at your opponent, and make it obvious to the umpire that you're blocking them and then you don't even try to mark it yourself

[Scollop]

I think Seb, Mason and Hilly were shocking with some of their kicks. But all these guys tried their guts out.

Bonner was the bloke who let us down.Not just with the kick for goal but mainly his inability to contest a ground ball. Too timid

The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

[spert]

A big momentum killer is the lack of defensive pressure from our half forwards- the work rate required keep the ball in the scoring zone..it killed us last night especially in the first half. Yet again, an opposition defender is amongst the best on the ground. Bonner did a couple of poor things, but not our worse player, also did some nice link ups. Seb and Hill are a worry, and I wouldn't complain too much about the umpires, as we got away with a few things too last night.

[saynta]

I think Seb, Mason and Hilly were shocking with some of their kicks. But all these guys tried their guts out.

Bonner was the bloke who let us down.Not just with the kick for goal but mainly his inability to contest a ground ball. Too timid

The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

Wood also f***ed up one certain goal in the first and failed to land his boot on the ball in the goal square in another chance gone begging.

[Scollop]

I think Seb, Mason and Hilly were shocking with some of their kicks. But all these guys tried their guts out.

Bonner was the bloke who let us down.Not just with the kick for goal but mainly his inability to contest a ground ball. Too timid

The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

Wood also f***ed up one certain goal in the first and failed to land his boot on the ball in the goal square in another chance gone begging.

It's interesting isn't. The blokes who played their guts out like Wood also made huge stuffups. I was furious with Higgins for his early miss when Henry had the free kick and he chose to take advantage.

Then Higgins tried to outmark Max King who was in a genuine 1-1 contest. I was furious with him again... but he came good.

Same with Mason Wood. He played well right up until the end. He defended and he put his head over the footy and got some important ground balls out to guys like Henry in the last quarter.

Same with young Darcy. He made some mistakes early but kept running, kept presenting and contributed well in our last quarter fightback

[Big Max]

The free against Marshall was technically correct because unfortunately RoMa didn't contest. RoMa didn't make an attempt to mark it himself

You can't look at your opponent, and make it obvious to the umpire that you're blocking them and then you don't even try to mark it yourself

It's not illegal to look at your opponent, although umpires and commentators think it is. Marshall was in good position to mark the ball, yet a couple of Saints players drifted in front of him and marked the ball.

A disproportionate number of the momentum killers were questionable umpire decisions. Just off the cuff .. the 666 .. this one against Marshall and the 50m against Winhager. All questionable and all momentum killers.

[Scollop]

The free against Marshall was technically correct because unfortunately RoMa didn't contest. RoMa didn't make an attempt to mark it himself

You can't look at your opponent, and make it obvious to the umpire that you're blocking them and then you don't even try to mark it yourself

It's not illegal to look at your opponent, although umpires and commentators think it is. Marshall was in good position to mark the ball, yet a couple of Saints players drifted in front of him and marked the ball.

A disproportionate number of the momentum killers were questionable umpire decisions. Just off the cuff .. the 666 .. this one against Marshall and the 50m against Winhager. All questionable and all momentum killers.

Agreed on all points

I know it's not illegal to look at your opponent. I separated the 2 paragraphs.

[Yorkeys]

Butler taking good mark inside 50, Lions defence in disarray, Butler stands next to the marker and plays on into him with multiple options for a walk in goal begging. Saints then caught out. SIGH.
How to coach monumental brain fades? Dan is a serial offender who has also refined the hitting a post skill.

[takeaway]

Butler taking good mark inside 50, Lions defence in disarray, Butler stands next to the marker and plays on into him with multiple options for a walk in goal begging. Saints then caught out. SIGH.
How to coach monumental brain fades? Dan is a serial offender who has also refined the hitting a post skill.

True. Butler is so frustrating, does some good things and then tries low percentage fancy stuff that gifts it to the opposition.
I'd prefer developing some of the younger players.

[perfectionist]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

[CURLY]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

Was exactly the same as the one Higgins got in the last.

Seb’s possession is just too costly.

You seriously aren’t saying Marshall and Higgins frees were identical??


Marshall held position to take a mark.

The Brisbane player basically jumped front on into Higgins with a hip and shoulder.

[Sanctorum]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

[CURLY]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

Amazing that such a blatant 50 wasn't paid against Collingwood.

Just luck I guess but how many times can you be just lucky?

Bl;atant cheating.

[The_Dud]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

Amazing that such a blatant 50 wasn't paid against Collingwood.

Just luck I guess but how many times can you be just lucky?

Bl;atant cheating.

They either both should have been 50 or neither.

So which is it?

[The_Dud]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

Was exactly the same as the one Higgins got in the last.

Seb’s possession is just too costly.

You seriously aren’t saying Marshall and Higgins frees were identical??


Marshall held position to take a mark.

The Brisbane player basically jumped front on into Higgins with a hip and shoulder.

Why do you have to flat out lie all the time Curly?

Both were moving back into their player looking at them and not the ball, both were trying to do the same thing - block them from the contest, both were easy free kicks and paid correctly.

For once just stop lying to fuel your deranged conspiracy theories.

[CURLY]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

Was exactly the same as the one Higgins got in the last.

Seb’s possession is just too costly.

You seriously aren’t saying Marshall and Higgins frees were identical??


Marshall held position to take a mark.

The Brisbane player basically jumped front on into Higgins with a hip and shoulder.

Why do you have to flat out lie all the time Curly?

Both were moving back into their player looking at them and not the ball, both were trying to do the same thing - block them from the contest, both were easy free kicks and paid correctly.

For once just stop lying to fuel your deranged conspiracy theories.

See you are just plain talking bulls*** not even lying.

Marshall glanced back got the position of his opponent then attempted to mark.

The Brisbane player knocked Higgens over with his back to the ball the entire time.

[CURLY]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

Amazing that such a blatant 50 wasn't paid against Collingwood.

Just luck I guess but how many times can you be just lucky?

Bl;atant cheating.

They either both should have been 50 or neither.

So which is it?

Well one was so obvious the whole football world is unanimously saying it was missed.

The Windhager 50 was fine tooth comb bottom of the rule book in small letters technically there if you want to pay it.

[The_Dud]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

Was exactly the same as the one Higgins got in the last.

Seb’s possession is just too costly.

You seriously aren’t saying Marshall and Higgins frees were identical??


Marshall held position to take a mark.

The Brisbane player basically jumped front on into Higgins with a hip and shoulder.

Why do you have to flat out lie all the time Curly?

Both were moving back into their player looking at them and not the ball, both were trying to do the same thing - block them from the contest, both were easy free kicks and paid correctly.

For once just stop lying to fuel your deranged conspiracy theories.

See you are just plain talking bulls*** not even lying.

Marshall glanced back got the position of his opponent then attempted to mark.

The Brisbane player knocked Higgens over with his back to the ball the entire time.

You do realise there is widely available footage of all of this, don't you?

5 minutes to go in the third Marshall is looking directly at his player when he backs into him, after contact he then turns his head towards the ball which would have landed 3 meters in front of him if Caminiti didn't mark it, at no point is Marshal attempting to mark or contest the mark, like many players do he was trying to protect the area so his teammate can mark. Again, this is on video, explain at what specific point is Marshall attempting to mark.

10 minutes to go in the last the Brisbane player is looking at Higgins and runs into him with the back of his shoulder knocking him to the ground (which Higgins is good at) while turning to face the contest. The Brisbane player is a bit more crude than Marshall in his attempt but is doing the exact same thing - attempting to block a player from contesting the marking contest to help out a teammate.

A throw is a throw whether its 1m or 10m. A block is a block, both clear free kicks.

Again, this is all on video. Those are the facts. Try not to blatantly lie.

[The_Dud]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

Amazing that such a blatant 50 wasn't paid against Collingwood.

Just luck I guess but how many times can you be just lucky?

Bl;atant cheating.

They either both should have been 50 or neither.

So which is it?

Well one was so obvious the whole football world is unanimously saying it was missed.

The Windhager 50 was fine tooth comb bottom of the rule book in small letters technically there if you want to pay it.

It's literally right there, c'mon Curly, you just can't blatantly lie your way out of ever situation!

19. FIFTY METRE PENALTY

19.2 WHEN IMPOSED
Where a field Umpire has awarded a Mark or Free Kick to a Player, or a Player is preparing
to bring or bringing the football back into play after a Behind is scored, a Fifty Metre
Penalty in favour of that Player will be awarded if the field Umpire is of the opinion that
any Player or Official from the opposing Team:

(d) enters or does not make every endeavour to immediately vacate the Protected
Area, except when the Player is accompanying or following within two metres
of their opponent;

[Saints58]

The free against Marshall was just poor umpiring.

Sebs two kicks were horrendous

Jones 50 was another umpire gift

As much as I like seb why in the hell is he still been gifted games Pou is a better option he did get 28 touches at sandy or Crouch but seb has to go.
Can we play Bonner on the HF with his kicking distance he would be a real weapon.

[magnifisaint]

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The 50m penalty against Windhager was the one that was not umpired in the spirit of the game.

All night they gave warnings and gave instructions to players to go back 2 metres. That killed our momentum

I'm not sure that the 50 against Windhager was because he went over the mark. He came from behind the mark through the protected area which you can't do. The real culprit was the other Saints player who left the mark.

Either way, it was an unjustfied 50 m penalty for such a tiny infraction by Windhager, 99 times out of 100 that would not have been paid.

Bloody ridiculous!!

Amazing that such a blatant 50 wasn't paid against Collingwood.

Just luck I guess but how many times can you be just lucky?

Bl;atant cheating.

Oh but Laura Kane ticked it off!