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The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
You have no clue though and you continually reach to take pot shots.
Did you go heap praise on the players when they defeated Collingwood when we had far more injuries than Collingwood has now?
DId you heap praise on Lyon last season when he made finals with minimal games from King Membrey and others?
We started behind the 8 ball with Sinclair, Butler, Clark, Crouch, Howard all doing little pre season. Its not an excuse its a reason.
But hey its easy to pot our club look like a hero.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
You have no clue though and you continually reach to take pot shots.
Did you go heap praise on the players when they defeated Collingwood when we had far more injuries than Collingwood has now?
DId you heap praise on Lyon last season when he made finals with minimal games from King Membrey and others?
We started behind the 8 ball with Sinclair, Butler, Clark, Crouch, Howard all doing little pre season. Its not an excuse its a reason.
But hey its easy to pot our club look like a hero.
It's ok Curly, you've well and truly proven my point, you can stand down now!
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
You have no clue though and you continually reach to take pot shots.
Did you go heap praise on the players when they defeated Collingwood when we had far more injuries than Collingwood has now?
DId you heap praise on Lyon last season when he made finals with minimal games from King Membrey and others?
We started behind the 8 ball with Sinclair, Butler, Clark, Crouch, Howard all doing little pre season. Its not an excuse its a reason.
But hey its easy to pot our club look like a hero.
It's ok Curly, you've well and truly proven my point, you can stand down now!
You can't help yourself but be narcissistic. You get pleasure from us losing. Very odd.
Sinclair. Interrupted pre-season. Missed last 5 weeks of the preseason. Came in underdone. Missed game one
Crouch. Two surgeries in the off season. Played sore round one. Has not played since. Should return soon
Clark. His best preseason until he ripped a calf on week from round 1. Has not played AFL. Should return soon
Wood. Broken collarbone in round two. Missed six weeks.
Henry. Tore hamstring in round . Missed 7 weeks. getting close to full fitness now
Butler. Surgery in the off season. Missed a large chunk of preseason. Played one game where he tore his hamstring. Will probably take two more weeks to reach sufficient fitness
Dow. Knee injury late in the preseason. Missed 7 matches. Should reach peak fitness soon
Howard. Hamstring in the last preseason game. Missed 6 weeks. Came back via VFL. Has only played 4 games
Webster. 7 game suspension. Returned in round 8
Steele. Injured knee in round 6. Has been splaying sore and it shows. Prior to that was in fine form
None of those players will be at the level of aerobic fitness they were last year. Our first 8 weeks were cruelled by injury. We were playing with 6 to 8 players out. That has an impact.
If none of those injuries had occurred, I'm convinced the story would have been different. Fitness and continuity are critical.
So some can crow about our small injury list at present, but the damage was done from round 1 to 8. And we still have three important players building their fitness via the VFL. Crouch, Clark, and Butler would still make a huge difference to this team
cwrcyn wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 1:15pm
Sinclair. Interrupted pre-season. Missed last 5 weeks of the preseason. Came in underdone. Missed game one
Crouch. Two surgeries in the off season. Played sore round one. Has not played since. Should return soon
Clark. His best preseason until he ripped a calf on week from round 1. Has not played AFL. Should return soon
Wood. Broken collarbone in round two. Missed six weeks.
Henry. Tore hamstring in round . Missed 7 weeks. getting close to full fitness now
Butler. Surgery in the off season. Missed a large chunk of preseason. Played one game where he tore his hamstring. Will probably take two more weeks to reach sufficient fitness
Dow. Knee injury late in the preseason. Missed 7 matches. Should reach peak fitness soon
Howard. Hamstring in the last preseason game. Missed 6 weeks. Came back via VFL. Has only played 4 games
Webster. 7 game suspension. Returned in round 8
Steele. Injured knee in round 6. Has been splaying sore and it shows. Prior to that was in fine form
None of those players will be at the level of aerobic fitness they were last year. Our first 8 weeks were cruelled by injury. We were playing with 6 to 8 players out. That has an impact.
If none of those injuries had occurred, I'm convinced the story would have been different. Fitness and continuity are critical.
So some can crow about our small injury list at present, but the damage was done from round 1 to 8. And we still have three important players building their fitness via the VFL. Crouch, Clark, and Butler would still make a huge difference to this team
Fantastic post and correct on all counts.
Add to that two suspensions that pretty much could be argued cost us games. I mean King v Essendon in a 3 point loss and Higgins in the Hawks or Freo game does he change the results?
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
You have no clue though and you continually reach to take pot shots.
Did you go heap praise on the players when they defeated Collingwood when we had far more injuries than Collingwood has now?
DId you heap praise on Lyon last season when he made finals with minimal games from King Membrey and others?
We started behind the 8 ball with Sinclair, Butler, Clark, Crouch, Howard all doing little pre season. Its not an excuse its a reason.
But hey its easy to pot our club look like a hero.
It's ok Curly, you've well and truly proven my point, you can stand down now!
You can't help yourself but be narcissistic. You get pleasure from us losing. Very odd.
Amazingly enough I want to see our players and club improve so we win more games, I know this is a foreign concept to yourself!
Though you did almost manage to hit the nail on the head, but infact YOU are the one who wants to see us fail, because you weirdly get your rocks off by whinging about umpires, injuries, the draw, travel, weather, suspensions, AFL house, and on and on and on.
If we were winning you'd have none of that, and we'd probably never see you around here! (another reason I want to see succeed )
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
DeGoey
Howe
McStay
Elliot
Four players out and no players coming in after long term injuries.
All teams win games like these once or twice. Sustain it over a long period then come pointing fingers.
And on cue, a perfect illustration of my original point!
Couldn't have set it up better myself
You have no clue though and you continually reach to take pot shots.
Did you go heap praise on the players when they defeated Collingwood when we had far more injuries than Collingwood has now?
DId you heap praise on Lyon last season when he made finals with minimal games from King Membrey and others?
We started behind the 8 ball with Sinclair, Butler, Clark, Crouch, Howard all doing little pre season. Its not an excuse its a reason.
But hey its easy to pot our club look like a hero.
It's ok Curly, you've well and truly proven my point, you can stand down now!
You can't help yourself but be narcissistic. You get pleasure from us losing. Very odd.
Amazingly enough I want to see our players and club improve so we win more games, I know this is a foreign concept to yourself!
Though you did almost manage to hit the nail on the head, but infact YOU are the one who wants to see us fail, because you weirdly get your rocks off by whinging about umpires, injuries, the draw, travel, weather, suspensions, AFL house, and on and on and on.
If we were winning you'd have none of that, and we'd probably never see you around here! (another reason I want to see succeed )
Your constant negative attacks on our club is a disgrace.
If you miss a block of training including games your conditioning is compromised
It is not just getting over the injury and being cleared to play
It is everything that goes into your endurance, touch and confidence - and being best positioned to impact across the 100 minutes of football in games
No doubt the loss of the players who have missed across multiple of weeks then the time to regain endurance, touch and confidence has impacted this season - and more so when you look at those who have missed multiple weeks including across the pre season
Sometimes you would return to play a “blinder” but then the reality arrived and you struggled across weeks as you built endurance
And this could sap confidence
At this stage of a season you could assess that most players would be carrying some form of injury, not to the level of missing games but restrictive
cwrcyn wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 1:15pm
Sinclair. Interrupted pre-season. Missed last 5 weeks of the preseason. Came in underdone. Missed game one
Crouch. Two surgeries in the off season. Played sore round one. Has not played since. Should return soon
Clark. His best preseason until he ripped a calf on week from round 1. Has not played AFL. Should return soon
Wood. Broken collarbone in round two. Missed six weeks.
Henry. Tore hamstring in round . Missed 7 weeks. getting close to full fitness now
Butler. Surgery in the off season. Missed a large chunk of preseason. Played one game where he tore his hamstring. Will probably take two more weeks to reach sufficient fitness
Dow. Knee injury late in the preseason. Missed 7 matches. Should reach peak fitness soon
Howard. Hamstring in the last preseason game. Missed 6 weeks. Came back via VFL. Has only played 4 games
Webster. 7 game suspension. Returned in round 8
Steele. Injured knee in round 6. Has been splaying sore and it shows. Prior to that was in fine form
None of those players will be at the level of aerobic fitness they were last year. Our first 8 weeks were cruelled by injury. We were playing with 6 to 8 players out. That has an impact.
If none of those injuries had occurred, I'm convinced the story would have been different. Fitness and continuity are critical.
So some can crow about our small injury list at present, but the damage was done from round 1 to 8. And we still have three important players building their fitness via the VFL. Crouch, Clark, and Butler would still make a huge difference to this team
Not according to BM!
They all just need to man-up!!!
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
How’s this post looking???
Beaten tonight even after a golden handshake in the first half from the umpires.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
How’s this post looking???
Beaten tonight even after a golden handshake in the first half from the umpires.
With a 40 man squad injuries kill you.
Don't you know why Collingwood lost tonight?
Because the umpires cheated CURLY. You of all people should know that
No injuries, but very light on for talent with experience and conditioning.
It's flawed logic to argue our current performance should be leveraged off our finish on the ladder postion in 2023. The reason why we won't be playing finals this year are becaue Lyon has taken tbe deliberate decision to rebuild and as such the player profile is under constant development.
Collingwood and Brisbane are both sliding because their player profiles are significantly different this season. In the case of Brisbane their whole balance was thrown out from the loss of one player in R1. These two teams perfectly illustrate how even the smallest of change in player profiles can have significant impact to remaining a top 4 and/or flag contender.
Now consider that example with a bottim to middle of the ladder team like us who are rebuilding meaning not only are there constant player changes, the changes are mostly introducing kids or new recruits, so the side is constantly far from settled and far from having adapted to all that needs to be adapted to.
It's a flawed argument to reference our 6th postion on the ladder in 2023. And that's without even introducing the argument we overachieved last year.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
I guess we Saints are used to excuses and mediocrity as part of the culture sadly.
Vortex wrote: ↑Sat 01 Jun 2024 7:28am
No injuries, but very light on for talent with experience and conditioning.
It's a good point and I believe it's the reason we fell off last year.
We hit round 1 at the level of fitness most teams aim to hit the finals. We had a huge injury list and whilst we got good players back, they didnt have the grueling 3 month preseason.
It's also hard to build that fitness over the season as the training loads are a lot lighter between games.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
How’s this post looking???
Beaten tonight even after a golden handshake in the first half from the umpires.
With a 40 man squad injuries kill you.
Post is looking great thanks Curly!
A decimated Collingwood team put up a fight against the Dogs.
What kind of fight did we put up against the Dogs..?
Stick to mediocrity Curly! And keep working on that list of excuses for todays game, I can’t wait to hear them… ha
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
I guess we Saints are used to excuses and mediocrity as part of the culture sadly.
Yes unfortunately
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
How’s this post looking???
Beaten tonight even after a golden handshake in the first half from the umpires.
With a 40 man squad injuries kill you.
Post is looking great thanks Curly!
A decimated Collingwood team put up a fight against the Dogs.
What kind of fight did we put up against the Dogs..?
Stick to mediocrity Curly! And keep working on that list of excuses for todays game, I can’t wait to hear them… ha
Why just use the WB game though?
What about the continued fight all last season to make finals with a huge injury list.
Also the games this year where we’ve been narrowly defeated
The_Dud wrote: ↑Tue 28 May 2024 12:39pm
Collingwood has an injury list nearly as long as Richmond and should have beat Freo at home with 6 players having less than 10 games experience!
The excuse-makers and mediocrity-accepters on here and around the club have been using injuries and young players as "the reason" for a pitiful performance this year when infact its actually more to do with poor culture and low standards at the club.
How’s this post looking???
Beaten tonight even after a golden handshake in the first half from the umpires.
With a 40 man squad injuries kill you.
Post is looking great thanks Curly!
A decimated Collingwood team put up a fight against the Dogs.
What kind of fight did we put up against the Dogs..?
Stick to mediocrity Curly! And keep working on that list of excuses for todays game, I can’t wait to hear them… ha
Why just use the WB game though?
What about the continued fight all last season to make finals with a huge injury list.
Also the games this year where we’ve been narrowly defeated
