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Evidently it takes a year to train the creativity and natural instincts out of the team such they they second and third guess themselves so much they not longer concentrate on basic skill execution. Hence why Poo, Owens and others looked good last year, and Wilson this year. Leave him in charge and see what happens to Wilson's development next year. If Lyon's instructions to the players are anything like the waffle that comes from his press conferences then no wonder the players are confused.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:37pm So...which is it?
Lyon was shithouse last year but the players were good enough
OR
Lyon was the reason last year
But....in 2024
Lyon is shitzen or its the players?
If its Lyon...PROVE how he has significantly altered the game plan from 23 to 24.
Whats actually accurate is the lay the blame across the club as it truly is...
Senior Coach
Asst Coaches
Players
Culture
History of Poor Trades & Drafts
Injuries
This blame on just the coach or players is rubbish
If you say...in this game Lyons strategy failed or in this game this player was poor...fair enough
The_Dud wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:33pm
Sssshhh Curly, you just focus on drying your tears, the adults are talking now![]()
Great post.
Maybe we had a bit of Rattens DNA left in usSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:37pm So...which is it?
Lyon was shithouse last year but the players were good enough
OR
Lyon was the reason last year
But....in 2024
Lyon is shitzen or its the players?
If its Lyon...PROVE how he has significantly altered the game plan from 23 to 24.
Whats actually accurate is the lay the blame across the club as it truly is...
Senior Coach
Asst Coaches
Players
Culture
History of Poor Trades & Drafts
Injuries
This blame on just the coach or players is rubbish
If you say...in this game Lyons strategy failed or in this game this player was poor...fair enough
So it WAS the coach and the players are sh1tesks023 wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 7:07pmMaybe we had a bit of Rattens DNA left in usSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:37pm So...which is it?
Lyon was shithouse last year but the players were good enough
OR
Lyon was the reason last year
But....in 2024
Lyon is shitzen or its the players?
If its Lyon...PROVE how he has significantly altered the game plan from 23 to 24.
Whats actually accurate is the lay the blame across the club as it truly is...
Senior Coach
Asst Coaches
Players
Culture
History of Poor Trades & Drafts
Injuries
This blame on just the coach or players is rubbish
If you say...in this game Lyons strategy failed or in this game this player was poor...fair enough
Lyon lacks creative ability.Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 1:40pm Jack Steele might be carrying a niggle. Didn't he have a crook knee a few weeks ago?
I really don't know what's going on because I'm not on the inside, but he looks dispirited at times.
Craig McCrae played Jordan De Goey exclusively in the forward line as he's coming back from a sore groin.
Why doesn't Ross try Steele as a permanent high half forward. Try a different mix in the middle. Do something instead of constantly being negative towards the midfield group
I have, multiple times, you just can’t comprehend.CURLY wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:58pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:33pm
Sssshhh Curly, you just focus on drying your tears, the adults are talking now![]()
You’re a goose answer the question you narcissist
Yeah just more proof you have no ideaThe_Dud wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 7:53pmI have, multiple times, you just can’t comprehend.CURLY wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:58pmThe_Dud wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 6:33pm
Sssshhh Curly, you just focus on drying your tears, the adults are talking now![]()
You’re a goose answer the question you narcissist
Who do you replace them with? Literally anybody.
To be fair, my views on the coach versus talent debate hasn't changed one little bit since before Richo departed, and then before Ratts departed and then I kept expressing the same view when Ross was parachuted in. And that view was this.."what magic trick does Ross Lyon have that no other coach has ever had in the history of the game that can turn every recruit into a GF type?", also expressed as turning water into wine. And then find around 25 GF types which is regarded by most premiership coahes as the depth of talent you need to challenge.
No, a good % of it is coming from supporters who didn't think lyon was up to the job in the first place.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 10:05pmTo be fair, my views on the coach versus talent debate hasn't changed one little bit since before Richo departed, and then before Ratts departed and then I kept expressing the same view when Ross was parachuted in. And that view was this.."what magic trick does Ross Lyon have that no other coach has ever had in the history of the game that can turn every recruit into a GF type?", also expressed as turning water into wine. And then find around 25 GF types which is regarded by most premiership coahes as the depth of talent you need to challenge.
This seemed to be the difference in page as you put it and I experienced a lot of nastiness over that view when Ross arrived but I haven't waivered because it's based on history and facts.
And even though I would declare clearly I'm a Ross fan, it was still somehow seen as me being a Ross "Hater" which couldn't be further from the truth.
I have also repeatedly said that it's the sum of all parts and that the procuring of said 25 GF types was the hardest job of all, much much harder than bringing one person into a club like a great head coach such as Ross, because that's actually really easy to do.
But I have also repeatedly said it's even more incredibly hard to build a list that can compete at a poor club like ours and therein lays tbe crux of the challenge. This is pure guess work, but I wouldn't might betting one of Ross's only conditions on Bassett when they struck a deal was, you have to stick fat and long because it will get much harder before things turn.
I mean come on, with the benefit of hindsight which list did Richo or Ratts have that was capable of challenging? and that's not taking into consideration both of those coaches also experienced terrible luck with injuries preventing them from having full access to their first picked players. We haven't had a list that can compete since 2009/2010 yet it still surprises me fans fall into the trap of blaming a coach. It's madness.
But I think where most of the angst is coming from is amongst the supporters who actually thought Ross could turn water into wine.
So you thought we had the list to compete for a premiership before Ross took over? Or weren't for off it?saynta wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 10:10pmNo, a good % of it is coming from supporters who didn't think lyon was up to the job in the first place.Vortex wrote: ↑Sun 19 May 2024 10:05pmTo be fair, my views on the coach versus talent debate hasn't changed one little bit since before Richo departed, and then before Ratts departed and then I kept expressing the same view when Ross was parachuted in. And that view was this.."what magic trick does Ross Lyon have that no other coach has ever had in the history of the game that can turn every recruit into a GF type?", also expressed as turning water into wine. And then find around 25 GF types which is regarded by most premiership coahes as the depth of talent you need to challenge.
This seemed to be the difference in page as you put it and I experienced a lot of nastiness over that view when Ross arrived but I haven't waivered because it's based on history and facts.
And even though I would declare clearly I'm a Ross fan, it was still somehow seen as me being a Ross "Hater" which couldn't be further from the truth.
I have also repeatedly said that it's the sum of all parts and that the procuring of said 25 GF types was the hardest job of all, much much harder than bringing one person into a club like a great head coach such as Ross, because that's actually really easy to do.
But I have also repeatedly said it's even more incredibly hard to build a list that can compete at a poor club like ours and therein lays tbe crux of the challenge. This is pure guess work, but I wouldn't might betting one of Ross's only conditions on Bassett when they struck a deal was, you have to stick fat and long because it will get much harder before things turn.
I mean come on, with the benefit of hindsight which list did Richo or Ratts have that was capable of challenging? and that's not taking into consideration both of those coaches also experienced terrible luck with injuries preventing them from having full access to their first picked players. We haven't had a list that can compete since 2009/2010 yet it still surprises me fans fall into the trap of blaming a coach. It's madness.
But I think where most of the angst is coming from is amongst the supporters who actually thought Ross could turn water into wine.
4 years but I think he'll need longer to build a list capable of challenging, we can't take short cuts this time.