Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- Sanctorum
- Club Player
- Posts: 1869
- Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
- Has thanked: 1473 times
- Been thanked: 999 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
"To do good is noble. To tell others to do good is even nobler and much less trouble.."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12754
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 763 times
- Been thanked: 423 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Is Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
- shanegrambeau
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5961
- Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
- Has thanked: 327 times
- Been thanked: 710 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
What is the situation with Brodie Grundy?
It seems that Melbourne don’t really have a spot for him in their best… Could we buy him out of his contract with Melbourne? Would Melbourne let home go? Even if they have decided he’ll be a Casey Case? Would he be a good compliment to Holla the Field Marshall?
It seems that Melbourne don’t really have a spot for him in their best… Could we buy him out of his contract with Melbourne? Would Melbourne let home go? Even if they have decided he’ll be a Casey Case? Would he be a good compliment to Holla the Field Marshall?
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1186
- Joined: Fri 22 Mar 2019 10:46pm
- Has thanked: 526 times
- Been thanked: 377 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
I was annoyed for years myself. Then I hears Ross speak briefly about on the radio from Perth. This is of course his view, but what other source do we have? Rumours?Mr Magic wrote: ↑Wed 16 Aug 2023 4:28pmI agree with you, and I'm still annoyed with what he did and how he did it. Just as I am with what Luke Ball did and how he did it.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Wed 16 Aug 2023 4:19pm People are still annoyed with him deceiving St Kilda and walking to Fremantle. I don't think it was a great act.
BUT Lyon's been appointed our Coach and I think it's pretty obvious that under him we've improved this year. So I can give him credit for that as I'm only interested in us improving.
He said to the effect; I had asked Netts for sit downs regarding my contract & going after talent...but they kept saying let's just wait. I felt the door closing so I accepted an offer to give my family security.
The interviewer said everyone was told the board was offering a new contract the night you resigned. Ross said, that's what they say now. Again the interviewer asked about the secrecy & not telling Craig Kelly. Ross just replied that he wanted a decision based on his family not negotiations, whatever the hell that meant.
I truly believe we were going to cut Ross loose & he believed the same...if hos manager was really negotiating a sweet 4 yr deal that was about to happen, it makes zero sense.
This was on Triple M during the finals. They'd just beat Geelong in 2013 I think it was. Maybe someone can find the interview?
It swayed me. He seemed pretty genuine that he wanted to stay & St Kilda was looking to move him along.
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12754
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 763 times
- Been thanked: 423 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
IIRC
The Club and Craig Kelly had arranged a press conference to announce the deal
It was cancelled after news broke that he’d signed with Freo
I’m pretty sure StKilda believed Kelly was authorised to deal on Lyon’s behalf
Kelly’s other coach client Mark Harvey was also blindsided by Freo
I reckon there’s some revisionist history here, but it doesn’t change my position
Lyon is our coach this season and I believe we’ve improved since last season
The Club and Craig Kelly had arranged a press conference to announce the deal
It was cancelled after news broke that he’d signed with Freo
I’m pretty sure StKilda believed Kelly was authorised to deal on Lyon’s behalf
Kelly’s other coach client Mark Harvey was also blindsided by Freo
I reckon there’s some revisionist history here, but it doesn’t change my position
Lyon is our coach this season and I believe we’ve improved since last season
- shanegrambeau
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5961
- Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
- Has thanked: 327 times
- Been thanked: 710 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
And this is the chicken and egg conundrumSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:24pm…
He said to the effect; I had asked Netts for sit downs regarding my contract & going after talent...but they kept saying let's just wait. I felt the door closing so I accepted an offer to give my family security.
..
I was one of the vocal posters who protested the Ratts re-signing of mid-season. ‘Wait until the end of the season’ I protested.
But Ratts and his manager were pushing for early signing.
We did a job on him.
Lyon did a job on us.
That’s how it goes.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1034
- Joined: Mon 20 Jan 2020 7:38am
- Has thanked: 63 times
- Been thanked: 312 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
At AFL level.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 4:30pmIs Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
IMO
Marshall is an A grade ruck (would be A+ with better ruck work)
Phillips is a B grade to B+ ruck.
Campbell a C grade to C+ ruck
Disclaimer: posts are my views and shouldn't be taken as fact, even if I am in fact right.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4895
- Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2017 1:16pm
- Has thanked: 1410 times
- Been thanked: 1429 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Grundy will be going cheap for '24. Poor man's Jack Hayes by then. Ah the challenge he would pose. If you don't have enough already, of course.
- asiu
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10313
- Joined: Thu 08 Apr 2010 8:11pm
- Has thanked: 1327 times
- Been thanked: 932 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
this is trueWe did a job on him.
Lyon did a job on us.
That’s how it goes.
ross impressed me then
(and still now)
with how he executed ... the deed
that leaves 'Netters' to take his seat on the catapult
(wound to extra tight ... for more thinking time)
where is he now ?
![Image](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iUpoNBZyaBc/R0zVk-1LCZI/AAAAAAAAAg0/9eeT7D6cnaA/s320/compass-blu-265x220.gif)
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
.tipara waranta kani nina-tu.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1186
- Joined: Fri 22 Mar 2019 10:46pm
- Has thanked: 526 times
- Been thanked: 377 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Yeah, it's hard to know what really goes on behind closed doors. I don't know that Ross was being purely transparent back in 2013 lol ...but did he really have much to lose by saying it?shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 7:00pmAnd this is the chicken and egg conundrumSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:24pm…
He said to the effect; I had asked Netts for sit downs regarding my contract & going after talent...but they kept saying let's just wait. I felt the door closing so I accepted an offer to give my family security.
..
I was one of the vocal posters who protested the Ratts re-signing of mid-season. ‘Wait until the end of the season’ I protested.
But Ratts and his manager were pushing for early signing.
We did a job on him.
Lyon did a job on us.
That’s how it goes.
Maybe his scenario was true....It sounded like he was saying he felt he had only a few days before he was fired & didn't want to leave his fate in anyone else's hands so he rang Freo himself knowing they were one of 4 clubs that had approached Craig Kelly, so he hauled azz out there and was their coach in less than 48 hrs.
Either way it was bad because he didnt trust Nettleford or Craig Kelly anymore. Maybe they WERE going to accept or present an offer...maybe Ross read it wrong. Contrast this 2013 story with this...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 0cc7c54bbb
Jump to 2022...
I guess at the time maybe Ross factored again...but into the Ratts deal? Maybe they thought we have a coach who has the group firing, we can't afford to lose him at years end. So sign him now.
But...in the firing of the Ratt for a Lyon...
Who approached who in the reincarnation of the King of the Jungle?
Did he roar or did we poke him with the honey stick?
Know...Dont I do.
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2841
- Joined: Fri 23 Sep 2011 4:24pm
- Location: Australia
- Has thanked: 774 times
- Been thanked: 871 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Nope.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 4:30pmIs Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
Saint supporter since '62
- Sanctorum
- Club Player
- Posts: 1869
- Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
- Has thanked: 1473 times
- Been thanked: 999 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Come on Trev.....you obviously haven't been watching Phillips like I have, he's had an outstanding season, in many games carrying the ruck burden in Draper's absence. He has a great leap, taps to advantage and goes back or forward as required with telling marks. Campbell's a plodder in comparison and nowhere near as talented.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 10:14pmNope.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 4:30pmIs Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
"To do good is noble. To tell others to do good is even nobler and much less trouble.."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 16890
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3580 times
- Been thanked: 2848 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
I find it hard to believe that RTB went from 2nd, 2nd and 6th and really thought he was going to be fired with a year on his contract.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 8:44pmYeah, it's hard to know what really goes on behind closed doors. I don't know that Ross was being purely transparent back in 2013 lol ...but did he really have much to lose by saying it?shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 7:00pmAnd this is the chicken and egg conundrumSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:24pm…
He said to the effect; I had asked Netts for sit downs regarding my contract & going after talent...but they kept saying let's just wait. I felt the door closing so I accepted an offer to give my family security.
..
I was one of the vocal posters who protested the Ratts re-signing of mid-season. ‘Wait until the end of the season’ I protested.
But Ratts and his manager were pushing for early signing.
We did a job on him.
Lyon did a job on us.
That’s how it goes.
Maybe his scenario was true....It sounded like he was saying he felt he had only a few days before he was fired & didn't want to leave his fate in anyone else's hands so he rang Freo himself knowing they were one of 4 clubs that had approached Craig Kelly, so he hauled azz out there and was their coach in less than 48 hrs.
Either way it was bad because he didnt trust Nettleford or Craig Kelly anymore. Maybe they WERE going to accept or present an offer...maybe Ross read it wrong. Contrast this 2013 story with this...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 0cc7c54bbb
Jump to 2022...
I guess at the time maybe Ross factored again...but into the Ratts deal? Maybe they thought we have a coach who has the group firing, we can't afford to lose him at years end. So sign him now.
But...in the firing of the Ratt for a Lyon...
Who approached who in the reincarnation of the King of the Jungle?
Did he roar or did we poke him with the honey stick?
Know...Dont I do.
As far as the return goes… I have no doubt that the availability and willingness of RTB influenced the sacking of Ratts.
There is absolutely no way they sack a coach that they JUST signed without a perceived better option on the table
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23010
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 8904 times
- Been thanked: 3883 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1186
- Joined: Fri 22 Mar 2019 10:46pm
- Has thanked: 526 times
- Been thanked: 377 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Certainly seems more feasiable RTB knew our list & saw a dive comin so he jumped ship quickly. Which stinks. But it was smart.skeptic wrote: ↑Sun 20 Aug 2023 4:15pmI find it hard to believe that RTB went from 2nd, 2nd and 6th and really thought he was going to be fired with a year on his contract.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 8:44pmYeah, it's hard to know what really goes on behind closed doors. I don't know that Ross was being purely transparent back in 2013 lol ...but did he really have much to lose by saying it?shanegrambeau wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 7:00pmAnd this is the chicken and egg conundrumSAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:24pm…
He said to the effect; I had asked Netts for sit downs regarding my contract & going after talent...but they kept saying let's just wait. I felt the door closing so I accepted an offer to give my family security.
..
I was one of the vocal posters who protested the Ratts re-signing of mid-season. ‘Wait until the end of the season’ I protested.
But Ratts and his manager were pushing for early signing.
We did a job on him.
Lyon did a job on us.
That’s how it goes.
Maybe his scenario was true....It sounded like he was saying he felt he had only a few days before he was fired & didn't want to leave his fate in anyone else's hands so he rang Freo himself knowing they were one of 4 clubs that had approached Craig Kelly, so he hauled azz out there and was their coach in less than 48 hrs.
Either way it was bad because he didnt trust Nettleford or Craig Kelly anymore. Maybe they WERE going to accept or present an offer...maybe Ross read it wrong. Contrast this 2013 story with this...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 0cc7c54bbb
Jump to 2022...
I guess at the time maybe Ross factored again...but into the Ratts deal? Maybe they thought we have a coach who has the group firing, we can't afford to lose him at years end. So sign him now.
But...in the firing of the Ratt for a Lyon...
Who approached who in the reincarnation of the King of the Jungle?
Did he roar or did we poke him with the honey stick?
Know...Dont I do.
As far as the return goes… I have no doubt that the availability and willingness of RTB influenced the sacking of Ratts.
There is absolutely no way they sack a coach that they JUST signed without a perceived better option on the table
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23010
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 8904 times
- Been thanked: 3883 times
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2841
- Joined: Fri 23 Sep 2011 4:24pm
- Location: Australia
- Has thanked: 774 times
- Been thanked: 871 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
What on earth have you been thinking? Watching Essendon!!!Sanctorum wrote: ↑Sun 20 Aug 2023 3:07pmCome on Trev.....you obviously haven't been watching Phillips like I have, he's had an outstanding season, in many games carrying the ruck burden in Draper's absence. He has a great leap, taps to advantage and goes back or forward as required with telling marks. Campbell's a plodder in comparison and nowhere near as talented.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 10:14pmNope.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 4:30pmIs Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
Saint supporter since '62
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23010
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 8904 times
- Been thanked: 3883 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
LOL. there are some teams I would never watch.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Sun 20 Aug 2023 7:36pmWhat on earth have you been thinking? Watching Essendon!!!Sanctorum wrote: ↑Sun 20 Aug 2023 3:07pmCome on Trev.....you obviously haven't been watching Phillips like I have, he's had an outstanding season, in many games carrying the ruck burden in Draper's absence. He has a great leap, taps to advantage and goes back or forward as required with telling marks. Campbell's a plodder in comparison and nowhere near as talented.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 10:14pmNope.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 4:30pmIs Phillips any better than Campbell as a backup or second ruckman?Sanctorum wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 3:57pm I doubt Marshall will be the sole ruckman next year.
When Ross Lyon succeeded Grant Thomas, who for reasons best kown to himself but no-one else decided the team could go all the way wthout a gun ruckman, Lyon couldn't wait to scour the available experienced talent to secure two solid ruckmen in Michael Gardiner and Steven King. It gladdened our hearts and paid big dividends!
You can bet your bottom dollar he will do the same thing again in the post season - my tip is that he'll entice Andrew Phillips (GWS, Carlton, Essendon) out of retirement and wear the RWB next year, he's been in outstanding form this year but with Sam Draper and Nick Bryan plus Peter Wright the Bombers would probably not give him much of a go in 2024.
This will allow extra time to continue the development of Max Heath until he's ready to play in the seniors.
The druggies, Freo and Port for starters.
- Sanctorum
- Club Player
- Posts: 1869
- Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
- Has thanked: 1473 times
- Been thanked: 999 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
Haha....I watch a fair few games and don't hold any strong dislikes for any particular team, it's just a matter of getting to know which players are 'up and about'. Like yesterday I was motivated to watch some of the Port v Freo game in order to see how Liam Henry performed as he's been mentioned as possibly coming to Moorabbin next year. He played really well....Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Sun 20 Aug 2023 7:36pm
What on earth have you been thinking? Watching Essendon!!!
"To do good is noble. To tell others to do good is even nobler and much less trouble.."
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) American writer and humorist
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 718
- Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2022 3:22pm
- Has thanked: 78 times
- Been thanked: 134 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
The problem is, that aborted Press Conference should have been happening at the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011 at the latest.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:58pm IIRC
The Club and Craig Kelly had arranged a press conference to announce the deal
It was cancelled after news broke that he’d signed with Freo
I’m pretty sure StKilda believed Kelly was authorised to deal on Lyon’s behalf
Kelly’s other coach client Mark Harvey was also blindsided by Freo
I reckon there’s some revisionist history here, but it doesn’t change my position
Lyon is our coach this season and I believe we’ve improved since last season
Nettlefold was an arse-clown and Westaway disinterested. They tried to low ball Lyon and maybe were pushing him out. In the end Lyon did what any bloke with self respect should do.
Its amazing that many have bitterness towards Lyon over that fiasco, whilst Westaway and Nettlefold and their clown show don't rate a mention. They're spectacular incompetence in losing our best Coach since Jeans coming on the back of the inspired move to Seaford.
Then they proceeded to hire Watters over Hinkley, then Richo over 'Choco' Williams.
- Mr Magic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12754
- Joined: Fri 04 May 2007 9:38am
- Has thanked: 763 times
- Been thanked: 423 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
I have no knowledge of what transpired other than what I recall was reported at the time.The G Train Legacy wrote: ↑Mon 21 Aug 2023 2:09pmThe problem is, that aborted Press Conference should have been happening at the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011 at the latest.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:58pm IIRC
The Club and Craig Kelly had arranged a press conference to announce the deal
It was cancelled after news broke that he’d signed with Freo
I’m pretty sure StKilda believed Kelly was authorised to deal on Lyon’s behalf
Kelly’s other coach client Mark Harvey was also blindsided by Freo
I reckon there’s some revisionist history here, but it doesn’t change my position
Lyon is our coach this season and I believe we’ve improved since last season
Nettlefold was an arse-clown and Westaway disinterested. They tried to low ball Lyon and maybe were pushing him out. In the end Lyon did what any bloke with self respect should do.
Its amazing that many have bitterness towards Lyon over that fiasco, whilst Westaway and Nettlefold and their clown show don't rate a mention. They're spectacular incompetence in losing our best Coach since Jeans coming on the back of the inspired move to Seaford.
Then they proceeded to hire Watters over Hinkley, then Richo over 'Choco' Williams.
Maybe the truth lies somewhere between the 2 POVs?
All I can remember is at the time it appeared as if Lyon went behind the backs of StKilda and his management and did a deal (via a solicitor) with Freo.
None of this though matters today as he's our Coach and I want him to succeed.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 718
- Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2022 3:22pm
- Has thanked: 78 times
- Been thanked: 134 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
You could be right. These are the undisputed facts:Mr Magic wrote: ↑Mon 21 Aug 2023 5:17pmI have no knowledge of what transpired other than what I recall was reported at the time.The G Train Legacy wrote: ↑Mon 21 Aug 2023 2:09pmThe problem is, that aborted Press Conference should have been happening at the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011 at the latest.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 6:58pm IIRC
The Club and Craig Kelly had arranged a press conference to announce the deal
It was cancelled after news broke that he’d signed with Freo
I’m pretty sure StKilda believed Kelly was authorised to deal on Lyon’s behalf
Kelly’s other coach client Mark Harvey was also blindsided by Freo
I reckon there’s some revisionist history here, but it doesn’t change my position
Lyon is our coach this season and I believe we’ve improved since last season
Nettlefold was an arse-clown and Westaway disinterested. They tried to low ball Lyon and maybe were pushing him out. In the end Lyon did what any bloke with self respect should do.
Its amazing that many have bitterness towards Lyon over that fiasco, whilst Westaway and Nettlefold and their clown show don't rate a mention. They're spectacular incompetence in losing our best Coach since Jeans coming on the back of the inspired move to Seaford.
Then they proceeded to hire Watters over Hinkley, then Richo over 'Choco' Williams.
Maybe the truth lies somewhere between the 2 POVs?
All I can remember is at the time it appeared as if Lyon went behind the backs of StKilda and his management and did a deal (via a solicitor) with Freo.
None of this though matters today as he's our Coach and I want him to succeed.
We didn't discuss his contract at the end of 2010 after appearing in the previous 2 Grand Finals.
When he asked the Club to initiate negotiations in early 2011, the Club put the negotiations off.
When the Club finally made its offer, after Lyon had knocked back Melbourne and Freo had made him an offer, they finally offered him what he'd asked for early in 2011. Unfortunately, far too late.
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13245
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 644 times
- Been thanked: 1907 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 568
- Joined: Mon 15 May 2017 7:18pm
- Has thanked: 38 times
- Been thanked: 72 times
Re: Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation
EditSaintPav wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 12:28pmMarshall is mobile for his height but I don’t think starting him in centre bounces as a stand alone mid would work as the opposition mids are more agile and quicker.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 10:29amIsn't that Owens role when he goes into the middle?CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 1:13amBrunswicksainter wrote: ↑Fri 18 Aug 2023 12:29amWe are categorically better with Marshall as sole ruck. Ryder Marshall combo was disastrous for us in 2021 and 2022.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 17 Aug 2023 6:51pm We’re we better with Ryder and Marshall
Than Solo Marshall in 2019
And Solo Marshall this season
And if so, why?
Both had different strengths as ruckmen- but only one could ruck at a time?
They both were average forwards and preferred playing ruck
Gawn and Grundy doesn’t work
Darcy and Jackson doesn’t work
All 4 (like Marshall) prefer the #1 mantle and 80+ percent in the ruck!
Can't we make Marshall a tall mid and get a quality tap ruckman?
If we did get a good tap ruckman, trying him on a wing would be interesting.
Last edited by Brunswicksainter on Tue 22 Aug 2023 12:25am, edited 1 time in total.