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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
He’s been out with soft tissue injuries, calf problems this season?
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Neither look to be busts. Both have shown great signs and are young.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
If you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Billings, Byrnes, Bytel and Clark. Their futures seem problematic.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Nuff nuffs like to have a couple of scapegoats when we lose an important match like last week.
Clark struggles late in games. It wasn't a surprise that he faded out.
It's up to the match committee and selectors to utilise the whole list and share the workload through out the year. It's up to the coaching staff to get the best out of the players for the whole 120 minutes
Clark struggles late in games. It wasn't a surprise that he faded out.
It's up to the match committee and selectors to utilise the whole list and share the workload through out the year. It's up to the coaching staff to get the best out of the players for the whole 120 minutes
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
You’ve bagged the s*** out of Ross and Membrey this season
Are you glad they’re in?
You must be, Ross decided on it
I won’t if Mattaus will play again, get 10 touches in 3 quarters and get subbed again?
Are you glad they’re in?
You must be, Ross decided on it
I won’t if Mattaus will play again, get 10 touches in 3 quarters and get subbed again?
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Happens when returning from a knee reco sometimes
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Match Committee's decisions can be puzzling.
No idea whether a guy is dropped due to papers stamped,
or if he's part of the future and needs a run at Zebs to work on stuff.
Windy, we knew he's a keeper, but guys like the 4 emergencies?
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Not arguing the cause, just that they might not make it.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:01pmIf you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
Ah potato cakes.
Here we go again.
1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.
2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.
For your reference.
Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1
Based on the above worst performed in that area.
Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance
Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1
This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.
To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Caminiti out.
Do you seriously think he’d have spent so long in the magoos this year, if he was so damn good at locking down small forwards???Ghost Like wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 6:28pmBreust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.saintbob wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 10:13amI prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 10 Aug 2023 8:45pmReally? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Yepnostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
Couldn’t win clearance
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Caminiti out.
Don’t sweat it, GL.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 6:28pmBreust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.saintbob wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 10:13amI prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 10 Aug 2023 8:45pmReally? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.
Bob is a glass half empty kind of guy.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
I responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuffnostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:29pmScollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:01pmIf you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
Ah potato cakes.
Here we go again.
1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.
2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.
For your reference.
Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1
Based on the above worst performed in that area.
Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance
Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1
This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.
To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.
You said
I agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.Ross > Clark in clearances
You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?
Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Personally I hope Ross is riding Clark a la nicky dal. If not he’s gone.
Coff I hope gets a chance. Has been cruelled
Billings clearly gone
Coff I hope gets a chance. Has been cruelled
Billings clearly gone
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Caminiti out.
Read how this started bob. You had a wobbly that he had got picked in the squad. He obviously went back to Sandy and has worked hard in that time so deserves the credit of selection. Paton overtook Webster for the small lockdown backman until Roughead wanted to relive his Glory days. I feel for the kid.saintbob wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:49pmDo you seriously think he’d have spent so long in the magoos this year, if he was so damn good at locking down small forwards???Ghost Like wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 6:28pmBreust will be happy and a lot of other small forwards. Oh, and you bob. What pressure does Paton freeze under bob? It is certainly not the pressure of locking down a small forward.saintbob wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 10:13amI prefer my defenders to be able to think for themselves, not freeze under pressure and actually use the ball. He’s NFG and he won’t be at the club next year, where as the bloke who played on Breust will be.Ghost Like wrote: ↑Thu 10 Aug 2023 8:45pmReally? It sounds like you think he was on Breust. I prefer my defenders to be able to defend.![]()
You are celebrating a bloke who allowed Breust to kick a career high, in his twilight years, on the basis his kicks appear sharp, when they are just as panicked as Paton's are when no one runs to space.
I do know that Paton has never had 5 (6) kicked on him. Yes, I do value defenders who can lock down. Paton actually makes the lives of Webster and Sinclair better by covering off for them. I think he's a selfless, determined player and hope he remains a Saint because he's disciplined and can actually defend.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
You a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 9:17pmI responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuffnostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:29pmScollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:01pmIf you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
Ah potato cakes.
Here we go again.
1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.
2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.
For your reference.
Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1
Based on the above worst performed in that area.
Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance
Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1
This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.
To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.
You saidI agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.Ross > Clark in clearances
You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?
Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)
H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.
S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331
Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Clark had 67% game time (total). and 1 disposal from 20min game time in the last quarter
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
Stop manufacturing something to justify your nuff nuff opinion.nostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 9:48pmYou a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 9:17pmI responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuffnostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:29pmScollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:01pmIf you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
Ah potato cakes.
Here we go again.
1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.
2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.
For your reference.
Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1
Based on the above worst performed in that area.
Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance
Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1
This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.
To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.
You saidI agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.Ross > Clark in clearances
You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?
Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)
H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.
S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331
Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.
Averages do not equate to effectiveness.
You do understand what percentage and efficiency is, versus a pure whole number don't you?
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
I'm not a betting man but I would think Clark will be the Sub...If not Billings.nostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 9:48pmYou a bit fried mate. No problem I'll give you that context as well.Scollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 9:17pmI responded to your first post nostalgic nuff nuffnostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:29pmScollop wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 8:01pmIf you're going to make statements like 'worst performed mid' in clearances, it's best to at least have a bit of an understanding of pure whole numbers versus effectiveness for percentage of times a mid actually attends a stoppagenostalgicsaint wrote: ↑Fri 11 Aug 2023 7:19pm Smashed in clearances.
Ross > Clark in clearances
Clark worst performed mid in that area.
I don't necessarily agree with the decision but this is the only logic that makes sense to me.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then don't stress, you're no different to the usual nuff nuff that posts on here
Ah potato cakes.
Here we go again.
1. Try reading. I'm not happy about Clark being dropped, simply trying to understand what the rationale might have been.
2. Attendance at stoppages is a stat I don't have access to however we do have access to a good proxy. Center bounce attendances.
For your reference.
Crouch 18 for 2 center clearances
Steele 16 for 1
Owens 14 for 1
Clark 11 for 0
Sinclair 4 for 1
Based on the above worst performed in that area.
Our other option is time on ground vs total clearance
Crouch 86% and 7 clearances
Steele 75% and 1
Owens 80% and 3
Clark. 67% and 1
Sinclair 86% and 1
This looks a bit better but when you consider all the others spend some time forward and back it is less impactful. I suspect part of the reason Clark has lower TOG % is because he is viewed as a pure mid option.
To finish the logic for you. Ross has been brought in to strengthen our midfield, Lyon likes his structures and the players bend around that. It would seem they deemed Clark the worst performed.
You saidI agree that the inclusion of Seb in the team is good, however he had been poor at clearances for the year. You were comparing Clark with Seb, so the only way to do that is with yearly figures because Sebby didn't play last week.Ross > Clark in clearances
You made a statement which implied that Ross is better at clearances. Where is the proof?
Now that you have access to the centre clearance and centre bounce attendance stats, let me know if your statement is true (even including Clark's poor effort against Carlton)
H Clark 2023 averages.
Center clearances 1
Stoppage 1.9
Total 2.9
Clangers 3.6
Meters gained 262.
S Ross
Center 1.6
Stoppage 2.2
Total 3.8
Clangers 2.9
Meters gained 331
Again- I'm a massive Clark fan, hope he is the sub but this is the logic I can see for the change made to the side.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
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Re: Ross, Membrey in. Clark, Byrnes and Caminiti out.
He was probably asking you if you're happy about Seb and Tim back in the team. You're one of the posters who's bagged both Tim Membrey and Seb Ross
Why don't you answer him