Reported for stalking and baitingScollop wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:12pmKiss my assTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:06pmScollop wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:04pmPlay Owens as a pure midTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:00pmWho you bringing in from twos that’s going to change all that in 1 week for us?Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:55pmPart 2Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:51pmThank youLife Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:17pm You'e all blaming the coach...
No game plan can survive our skill level!
Thank **** the club know this
I’ve said a thousand times
Waste of time playing finals with this lot
Drop out
Hit the draft
Fortunately the axe will come and that midfield better get an overhaul
I’ll go spare if we spend all on TDK and leave that midfield rabble in place
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The players will be paid their full weekly wages and so will Ross Lyon...but everyone is really hurting
Rowan is one of my favourite players, but Ross and Lenny are setting up the team for these sorts of losses if they think we can go for a full season with only 1 recognised ruck. Especially against the monsters like Witts
Great strategy leaving out Hunter Clark from the starting lineup even though he's one of our most effective clearance players.
Brad Crouch and Jack Steele have been ordinary at their main role and have been beaten at centre clearance...but I'll bet my balls they both line up in the middle for the most centre bounces again next week.
Clearances lost 40-27
Stoppage clearances we were smashed 30-19
Discuss
Discuss.
Play Steele as a forward
Mix it up
Say hi to your brother Ross
Reported for baiting
Is he your brother or your cousin
C'mon. Come clean
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
2 x Quick, goal kicking midsTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:02pmI’d say 2 mids be nice…..then add Owens to that mix as well
Another ruck who can tap a ball yes
Plus maybe 1 more tall defender….Battle looks a little lost at times for mine
1 x KPD of the marking & monster variety
1 x Monster Ruckman - too many games we are getting blown away by not being able to at least break even at a CB - that is hard work for a good midfield, catastrophic for our current set up.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
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Thursday and Friday night's games were awesome weren't they?
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Don't you just hate football when your team plays like SHIITTT
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Has the group really dropped off just this year in 18 games?Otiman wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:09pmIf one player has poor execution, it's on the player. If everyone does, it's the coach.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:03pm It's not the 1970's.
If the senior coach has to tell adult footballers that have grown up with the game how to hit a target by foot and hand, we are in more trouble that we thought.
So who is responsible for a group dropoff in basic skill execution this year?
Or
Has the group been poor for close to 10 years skills wise with nothing done about and poorly skilled players (see Jones etc) continually recruited and getting games ??
Go through our side and list our “elite by foot” ball users
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Then this year.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:12pmIs the coach really going to change that in 18 ganes????Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:10pm Who in this side has improved over the last few years.
Our players seem to go backwards.
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Yep I think that’s right midfielders with dash from contest who can score are key ….hard to get but key …Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:15pm2 x Quick, goal kicking midsTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:02pmI’d say 2 mids be nice…..then add Owens to that mix as well
Another ruck who can tap a ball yes
Plus maybe 1 more tall defender….Battle looks a little lost at times for mine
1 x KPD of the marking & monster variety
1 x Monster Ruckman - too many games we are getting blown away by not being able to at least break even at a CB - that is hard work for a good midfield, catastrophic for our current set up.
Interesting on radio today they were going through Bombers midfield and saying with guys like Satas doing well innVFL guys like Shiel might not be best 22 (I don’t want Shiel - crab) but I laughed cause they outbid us close to $1m to get him ..,then stole Caldwell too
We need JHF types … plus we need Hotton Van Es etc to come on down …Keeler a long shot but be great also
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Who says the skill level has dropped this year?Otiman wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:09pmIf one player has poor execution, it's on the player. If everyone does, it's the coach.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:03pm It's not the 1970's.
If the senior coach has to tell adult footballers that have grown up with the game how to hit a target by foot and hand, we are in more trouble that we thought.
So who is responsible for a group dropoff in basic skill execution this year?
It's been terrible under the last four coaches.
When was the last time we were a skilled team? 2010?
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Fixed? He's dug the hole deeper, quicker and put us back at least 2 years.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:54pmI thought you were one of these stick fat type supporters?thejiggingsaint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:46pmLooks as if RTB isn't the "messiah" after all? (asking for a friend)
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Glass half full type??
18 games in….Lyon hasn’t fixed 10 years of Richo, Ratten Shiite so he’s no good??
Good to have you in the trenches![]()
He cannot motivate the players, can't discipline execution. Ratts couldn't, Richo couldn't. And he is no different.
His commentary will however be first class.
I will renew next year, but I know a car crash when I see it.
Only dropping 7 for next week will get me to think it may not be hopeless for the foreseeable and Ross isnt a fraud. Or unless Ross resigns.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Clearly some players being managed this week.
Owens 50% TOG
Pou subbed out
Clark 37% TOG despite being subbed early Q3
Owens 50% TOG
Pou subbed out
Clark 37% TOG despite being subbed early Q3
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I don't even think we have 7 selectable players in the VFL right now.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
The encouraging part about Peris's game today was it showed that if a player has some talent (not needing to necessarily be killing it in the VFL) can show something on the big stage. That's the dare we need at selection. Let's face it, there are a lot of AFL players who would struggle at Sandringham.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:21pmYep I think that’s right midfielders with dash from contest who can score are key ….hard to get but key …Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:15pm2 x Quick, goal kicking midsTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:02pmI’d say 2 mids be nice…..then add Owens to that mix as well
Another ruck who can tap a ball yes
Plus maybe 1 more tall defender….Battle looks a little lost at times for mine
1 x KPD of the marking & monster variety
1 x Monster Ruckman - too many games we are getting blown away by not being able to at least break even at a CB - that is hard work for a good midfield, catastrophic for our current set up.
Interesting on radio today they were going through Bombers midfield and saying with guys like Satas doing well innVFL guys like Shiel might not be best 22 (I don’t want Shiel - crab) but I laughed cause they outbid us close to $1m to get him ..,then stole Caldwell too
We need JHF types … plus we need Hotton Van Es etc to come on down …Keeler a long shot but be great also
I am all for giving Hotton, Van Es, Adams, Keeler, Heath a taste of AFL before they launch into the upcoming pre season. Obviously not all at once.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Certainly not Ross.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:12pmIs the coach really going to change that in 18 ganes????Bruce G McAbee wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:10pm Who in this side has improved over the last few years.
Our players seem to go backwards.
But then is he a coach or a fraud.
We are going backwards, that's sort of the opposite of good coaching.
Gee I hope he isn't as fraudulent as he seems so far.
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Quantify the drop.
And point to periods where we were clearly better skilled in the last five years.
Our skill level has been terrible for a long time now. It started under Watters and continued through Richo and did not improve under Ratten.
But, oh no, it's the coach that's at fault.
We take highly skilled kids and turn them into spuds with the football in hand.
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Huge effort against Dees last week with 3 down before half time looks to have sapped the boys this week against a team that played with the sacked coach phenomena.
We're going to struggle to get to finals, but this year we are developing our kids and they are going to be better next year.
Horrible injuries this year, but were still in it.
Well done to Peris on debut
We're going to struggle to get to finals, but this year we are developing our kids and they are going to be better next year.
Horrible injuries this year, but were still in it.
Well done to Peris on debut
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
We are broken
To many injuries to get any real connection going
Just playing like a bunch of individuals .... and bad ones at that
Been mentioned before but we are a bottom 4 side currently
Yet we are very likely not to get the draft rewards of a bottom 4 side ...... so we will continue to sit in no man's land for a while yet
Hawks & North will likely go past us soon due to their wealth of young talent and our aging broken mids needing to be replaced ..... couple of years of hurt coming up
To many injuries to get any real connection going
Just playing like a bunch of individuals .... and bad ones at that
Been mentioned before but we are a bottom 4 side currently
Yet we are very likely not to get the draft rewards of a bottom 4 side ...... so we will continue to sit in no man's land for a while yet
Hawks & North will likely go past us soon due to their wealth of young talent and our aging broken mids needing to be replaced ..... couple of years of hurt coming up
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Fair call & let's add to that we seem to have a weight room that doesn't work. Have they painted numbers on black foam that look like weights?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:46pmQuantify the drop.
And point to periods where we were clearly better skilled in the last five years.
Our skill level has been terrible for a long time now. It started under Watters and continued through Richo and did not improve under Ratten.
But, oh no, it's the coach that's at fault.
We take highly skilled kids and turn them into spuds with the football in hand.
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Ok greatYorkeys wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:26pmFixed? He's dug the hole deeper, quicker and put us back at least 2 years.Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:54pmI thought you were one of these stick fat type supporters?thejiggingsaint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:46pmLooks as if RTB isn't the "messiah" after all? (asking for a friend)
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Glass half full type??
18 games in….Lyon hasn’t fixed 10 years of Richo, Ratten Shiite so he’s no good??
Good to have you in the trenches![]()
He cannot motivate the players, can't discipline execution. Ratts couldn't, Richo couldn't. And he is no different.
His commentary will however be first class.
I will renew next year, but I know a car crash when I see it.
Only dropping 7 for next week will get me to think it may not be hopeless for the foreseeable and Ross isnt a fraud. Or unless Ross resigns.
Who the 7 you bringing in next week to rejuvenate us in 1 week?
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Yep be good to have some size that doesn’t get shunted aroundGhost Like wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:50pmFair call & let's add to that we seem to have a weight room that doesn't work. Have they painted numbers on black foam that look like weights?Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:46pmQuantify the drop.
And point to periods where we were clearly better skilled in the last five years.
Our skill level has been terrible for a long time now. It started under Watters and continued through Richo and did not improve under Ratten.
But, oh no, it's the coach that's at fault.
We take highly skilled kids and turn them into spuds with the football in hand.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
A few stats to back it up:
2022: 232 Marks inside 50 (22 games) - 10.5 per game
2023: 166 Marks inside 50 (18 games) - 9.2 per game
2022: Disposal efficiency 73.2
2023: Disposal efficiency 71.7
I suspect stats between the first 8 games and the rest of the season will be even further apart.
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Re: Match Thread Saints v Suns Round 18 2023
Now overlay the loss of key players - especially in the front half and redo your statsOtiman wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 7:17pmA few stats to back it up:
2022: 232 Marks inside 50 (22 games) - 10.5 per game
2023: 166 Marks inside 50 (18 games) - 9.2 per game
2022: Disposal efficiency 73.2
2023: Disposal efficiency 71.7
I suspect stats between the first 8 games and the rest of the season will be even further apart.
Think you’ll find those numbers tell you nothing
We haven’t been a skilful side in over a decade
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Get over Bytel Scollop. He’s trash and will be delisted at years end. I’ve reported over and over that all our other young ones are much better. Get over him.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:01pmAnd yet you and every other Ross apologist still think it's a good idea leaving Bytel out of the teamTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:57pmThat’s the ball game
Midfield up there with worst in AFL
Seriously pedestrian and not much relief in 2’s right now can change that
Fix that fix lots of issues
Can’t win footy games losing that much contested ball and keep putting backs under pump all day
GC just walked out of centre with ball at times
Anyway be good to go next week - my tip? Clarko will announce his big comeback game !!! Just in time
We ain’t good enough that simple
Still don’t think Harvey is a forwards coach…
It's like smacking your head up against the wall and expecting the wall to give in at some stage. It fvcken won't. Try something different ffs!!
You're related to Ross aren't you?
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Get over yourself. You're not a good judge of footballers or characterTheGreatZacsby wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 7:31pmGet over Bytel Scollop. He’s trash and will be delisted at years end. I’ve reported over and over that all our other young ones are much better. Get over him.Scollop wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:01pmAnd yet you and every other Ross apologist still think it's a good idea leaving Bytel out of the teamTeflon wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 5:57pmThat’s the ball game
Midfield up there with worst in AFL
Seriously pedestrian and not much relief in 2’s right now can change that
Fix that fix lots of issues
Can’t win footy games losing that much contested ball and keep putting backs under pump all day
GC just walked out of centre with ball at times
Anyway be good to go next week - my tip? Clarko will announce his big comeback game !!! Just in time
We ain’t good enough that simple
Still don’t think Harvey is a forwards coach…
It's like smacking your head up against the wall and expecting the wall to give in at some stage. It fvcken won't. Try something different ffs!!
You're related to Ross aren't you?
Ross wanted Luke Ball out of his team too
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We has two all Australians. They now look quite ordinary. I think that's quite a coaching feat and possibly a drop, hard to quantify though, 2 -3 losses, maybe more.Life Long Saint wrote: ↑Sat 15 Jul 2023 6:46pmQuantify the drop.
And point to periods where we were clearly better skilled in the last five years.
Our skill level has been terrible for a long time now. It started under Watters and continued through Richo and did not improve under Ratten.
But, oh no, it's the coach that's at fault.
We take highly skilled kids and turn them into spuds with the football in hand.