Sharman on the wing?

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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018280Post B.M »

Ross didn’t play much of the second qtr and was clearly injured

He would’ve been subbed out if Battle wasn’t already

Still on crutches


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

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B.M wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 12:57am Kicking the footy is a small aspect of your ability to play the game

Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot

In game

Training
Application and drive
Coachability

Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!

Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it

You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting

But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do
Poor Siposs...earning 2.52 million but likely to lose his spot in 2023 about literally the worst punt in Superbowl history costing the Eagles the game. Hes been an excellent punter outside that one gaff. Maybe Sharman would like to earn millions instead of waiting in the VFL for a few scraps off the big boys table?


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018286Post skeptic »

Cost them the match my a$$

Talk about the most overrated mistake in history

I think the earlier gaff where his star team mate made an unforced error that gifted the opposition their first try when they were getting hammered was far more influential


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018288Post Scollop »

Sebby injured his knee in the second quarter. He thinks it’s a medial strain (similar to Hill).

We’ll excuse him just this once :wink:


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

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Point conceded


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018294Post Killa »

Byrnes has pace and endurance

These attributes also contribute to defence, so running the distance of the ground chopping out options to switch

I would guess this is included in match review

Without being at the game you are unable to comment on defensive running because the cameras are on the ball

I would suggest that neither Bytel nor Sharman bring to the table what Byrnes (and Wood) bring

The fact that Byrnes continues to be selected is its own commentary - and selected ahead of Bytel and Sharman

Sharman was played in defence at the end of last year because we had no height (due to injuries) and he could make up for a lack of KPP weight with his ability to jump (and punch)


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

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Killa wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 8:18pm Byrnes has pace and endurance

These attributes also contribute to defence, so running the distance of the ground chopping out options to switch

I would guess this is included in match review

Without being at the game you are unable to comment on defensive running because the cameras are on the ball
I think you’re right but also believe this to be the most overrated consideration in football and IMO an enduring weakness for RTB.
You cannot have a player on the wing whose primary contribution is defensive running. Unless Byrnes has outright shut an opposition key mid out of the game and based on the numbers, that’s unlikely, that contribution isn’t enough.

If doing a defensive job, you still need to hurt the opposition the other way otherwise all he’s doing is occupying a spot to slightly curb the decision making if players that are winning more ball than him.

Give me a lace out pass to a forward over 10min of pressuring the opposition mids so that one of their 3 kicks goes to a contest instead of straight to a team mate


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018305Post samuraisaint »

Nah.
Sharman to play Membrey's role - play CHF at 60 metres out. He can mark and he's a good kick.


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

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12 possessions on the wing is not good enough - and it included no intercept possessions which are what wingers are there for when doing defensive running - they fill the fat side hole in d50

Hill should be playing wing

Billings HF

Zac Jones HB/Mid

Sincs Mid/HB

Crouch midfield/Int
Windhager midfield/Int

Steele fwd/Mid

Owens fwd/mid

Ross Wood Hill playing on the wing/Int


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Post: # 2018309Post Teflon »

B.M wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 10:18am The thread was - Sharman on a wing

Then it was stated that he was a good kick - which he is pretty good

I was making the point that being a good kick doesn’t make you a good player

Sharman has capabilities but also has deficiencies which limit him imo
The thread isn’t
“What makes a good AFL player” it wasn’t even
“What’s Sharman missing to be an AFL player “
You’ve gone off on a soap box tangent again
Anyway carry on you get the drift


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Post: # 2018310Post Teflon »

Scollop wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 10:43am I wouldn’t bother answering him, he’s wasting your time and everyone else’s

I think as long as Cooper has “Application and drive” (as you put it) he can secure a contract extension. In the long term, I’d like to see him as the third tall in our forward line.
Please feel free to put me on foe I’m happy to avoid reading your stuff it’s mostly inaccurate anyway
Happy to have that arrangement in place


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Re: Sharman on the wing?

Post: # 2018312Post Teflon »

saintsRrising wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 4:17pm
B.M wrote: Tue 04 Jul 2023 12:57am Kicking the footy is a small aspect of your ability to play the game

Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot

In game

Training
Application and drive
Coachability

Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!

Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it

You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting

But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do


While all true, a current fact is that too many of our players in our current team are poor users of the ball. Sharman is one of the few who is a good user of the ball.

Lyon in remoulding the team must improve our ball use if we want to become a genuine contender.

Now Sharman may or may not be part of that future. But unless Lyon and our recruiters can inject better ball use we are not going to be a genuine threat (except to my mental health and level of contentment!).
Bang on SR
Sharman impressed me how he summed up a situation…kicked to advantage…hit a target
I think given game time and confidence he can play
Vortex doesn’t know his head from his ass


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