Sharman on the wing?
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Howard, Wilkie and Pou played as the key position defenders against the taller West Coast forwards.
Sharman was filling in at half back flank. He doesn't defend well 1-1 but he's very good at starting our attack from the backline.
When he plays forward he's usually a HFF. When does he play the role of key position?
Sharman was filling in at half back flank. He doesn't defend well 1-1 but he's very good at starting our attack from the backline.
When he plays forward he's usually a HFF. When does he play the role of key position?
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
You’re probably right.
I think being a mobile unit is definitely to his strength, whether that be as a forward or back.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
I’d kind of like to seem him up forward again. What we really haven’t seen him have the opportunity to do so much was the thing that actually made him stand out early on…
And that is, playing on the lead, relying on an ability to get on the end of it and utilise his strong grab.
Even when he has forayed forward this year… he’s played more as a drop in forward/up with the pack and bring the ball down type which really isn’t his strength.
It’s an interesting consideration to be frank… it seems like with the exception of Higgins, none of our forwards really seem to play on the lead.
And that is, playing on the lead, relying on an ability to get on the end of it and utilise his strong grab.
Even when he has forayed forward this year… he’s played more as a drop in forward/up with the pack and bring the ball down type which really isn’t his strength.
It’s an interesting consideration to be frank… it seems like with the exception of Higgins, none of our forwards really seem to play on the lead.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Yes, wing is absolutlely the right place for him. I believe that was his role in preseason.
Unfortunately being the sub means you have to play wherever you're needed.
Sharman is this years Josh Battle from 2020. Jack of all trades.
Unfortunately being the sub means you have to play wherever you're needed.
Sharman is this years Josh Battle from 2020. Jack of all trades.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Cooper reads the balloff the boot quicker than anyone bar Sincs and Wilkie.
A definite strength in his game.
Got a great leap too
A definite strength in his game.
Got a great leap too
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
He’s a KPP trapped in a slightly smaller body
If he was 196 he’d be a chance
If he was the same size but more agile and better at ground level he’d be a chance
He’s a classic tweener
If he was 196 he’d be a chance
If he was the same size but more agile and better at ground level he’d be a chance
He’s a classic tweener
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Can he be a Bailey Fritch?
3rd tallish forward?
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Wing…..
No.
Not quick enough.
Has no endurance.
He’s sub because he can fill gaps for a quarter.
Nothing more than that or he’d be starting every week.
No.
Not quick enough.
Has no endurance.
He’s sub because he can fill gaps for a quarter.
Nothing more than that or he’d be starting every week.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Not as quick or agile as Fritch
He has tools - no doubt
He can catch it and kick it and has ok endurance
But his lack of size for a predominantly marking player, and lack speed for a wing/HF/HB
Maybe a third? Not convinced though - at this stage
Bit of Siposs about him - in that his body size doesn’t match his skill set
He has tools - no doubt
He can catch it and kick it and has ok endurance
But his lack of size for a predominantly marking player, and lack speed for a wing/HF/HB
Maybe a third? Not convinced though - at this stage
Bit of Siposs about him - in that his body size doesn’t match his skill set
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Yes spot on
Just feel that when he gets the ball in his hands….you have that confidence he’ll use it …unlike say Byrnes, Gresham or Dougal …heart in mouth stuff
He’s a keeper Sharman
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Kicking the footy is a small aspect of your ability to play the game
Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot
In game
Training
Application and drive
Coachability
Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!
Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it
You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting
But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do
Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot
In game
Training
Application and drive
Coachability
Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!
Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it
You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting
But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
I agree - it’s not on topic but good generalist post on “good players impact games” thank youB.M wrote: ↑Tue 04 Jul 2023 12:57am Kicking the footy is a small aspect of your ability to play the game
Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot
In game
Training
Application and drive
Coachability
Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!
Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it
You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting
But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do
Explains clearly why Bytel isn’t getting ganes
Good exploring told us that
Sharman still a good field kick tho - that was the discussion
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
The thread was - Sharman on a wing
Then it was stated that he was a good kick - which he is pretty good
I was making the point that being a good kick doesn’t make you a good player
Sharman has capabilities but also has deficiencies which limit him imo
Then it was stated that he was a good kick - which he is pretty good
I was making the point that being a good kick doesn’t make you a good player
Sharman has capabilities but also has deficiencies which limit him imo
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
I wouldn’t bother answering him, he’s wasting your time and everyone else’s
I think as long as Cooper has “Application and drive” (as you put it) he can secure a contract extension. In the long term, I’d like to see him as the third tall in our forward line.
I think as long as Cooper has “Application and drive” (as you put it) he can secure a contract extension. In the long term, I’d like to see him as the third tall in our forward line.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
For a few years many posters on this forum wanted Battle payed as a wingman or tall mid.
He has good endurance running capacity but lacks the pace lateral mobility to impact on a wing or as a mid.
Sharman similarly whilst decent endurance wise, lacks the lateral movement and ball handling to hold down a wing.
Battle is also as hard as a cats head, Sharman is nothing like Battle here.
To make it I believe Sharman needs to settle as a 3rd tall forward or back.
He has an elite leap, he’s a good kick and reads the flight ok.
He has good endurance running capacity but lacks the pace lateral mobility to impact on a wing or as a mid.
Sharman similarly whilst decent endurance wise, lacks the lateral movement and ball handling to hold down a wing.
Battle is also as hard as a cats head, Sharman is nothing like Battle here.
To make it I believe Sharman needs to settle as a 3rd tall forward or back.
He has an elite leap, he’s a good kick and reads the flight ok.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
This is where Sharman stood out.
One of the only players in the team this game to keep kicking the ball beautifully and consistently to advantage.
He kicked beautifully, chose good options and then also kicked to the advantage of his team mate.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 04 Jul 2023 12:57am Kicking the footy is a small aspect of your ability to play the game
Getting it - air and ground
Game sense
Decision making
Execution - hand and foot
In game
Training
Application and drive
Coachability
Just because someone can kick - doesn’t make you a good player, or even a skilful player
Otherwise Arryn Siposs would have played 200 games
Leo Connolly is a case in point - can kick but lacks competitiveness- which is why he’s been put inside at Sandy, to see if he can win his own ball and tackle. He cannot!
Being a great athlete alone doesn’t either
Otherwise Steven Gaertner and Spencer White would’ve made it
You MUST tick a lot of boxes to make it as a player - that’s the art of recruiting
But the most important trait - can they consistently impact a game - because that’s what good players do
While all true, a current fact is that too many of our players in our current team are poor users of the ball. Sharman is one of the few who is a good user of the ball.
Lyon in remoulding the team must improve our ball use if we want to become a genuine contender.
Now Sharman may or may not be part of that future. But unless Lyon and our recruiters can inject better ball use we are not going to be a genuine threat (except to my mental health and level of contentment!).
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Sharman got 10 touches coming on for Battle in what was it… part way through the second?
Byrnes got 12 for the match as a full time winger from the get go.
Byrnes - 55%DE and 257m gained
Sharman - 80%DE and 266m gained
Throw Seb Ross in there…
16 touches
65% DE and 259m gained
Now I’m no mathematician… but on those numbers, I would say that Coops contribution holds up and that RTB should be wanting a lot more from Byrnes and Ross.
Byrnes got 12 for the match as a full time winger from the get go.
Byrnes - 55%DE and 257m gained
Sharman - 80%DE and 266m gained
Throw Seb Ross in there…
16 touches
65% DE and 259m gained
Now I’m no mathematician… but on those numbers, I would say that Coops contribution holds up and that RTB should be wanting a lot more from Byrnes and Ross.
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Re: Sharman on the wing?
Ross absolutely…
But I think Coops (and Bytel) if given the opportunity could Byrnes role and with results as good as many of his performances