Port Adelaide are exposing our form

[Life Long Saint]

I'd argue the list is better. Maybe 1-2 games better.
Our run home draw is at least 2 games better.

I'd disagree on the first point. We really miss Paddy Ryder.
And, as infrequent as it was, we were a better team with Hannebery in it.

Stocker is a clear upgrade on Geary, not that he played last season.
Caminiti is still very young and, if we were at full fitness, wouldn't be in our starting 22.
The Pou is special. But ideally would have some time at Sandy learning the craft.

The draw is much better...Although if we dish performances like the one against Hawthorn, it won't matter.

Long is doing better than just OK at the suns too.

Agreed...But I don't think we're missing him much. Handy sub!

[CQ SAINT]

We won't be 5th for long if we lose to the Swines

Correct. We will probably drop to 6th.

[Teflon]

I'd argue the list is better. Maybe 1-2 games better.
Our run home draw is at least 2 games better.

I'd disagree on the first point. We really miss Paddy Ryder.
And, as infrequent as it was, we were a better team with Hannebery in it.

Stocker is a clear upgrade on Geary, not that he played last season.
Caminiti is still very young and, if we were at full fitness, wouldn't be in our starting 22.
The Pou is special. But ideally would have some time at Sandy learning the craft.

The draw is much better...Although if we dish performances like the one against Hawthorn, it won't matter.

I’d agree the list is not better
The first half draw we had last year was soft too and it showed
I’d also argue the list Lyon has actually had at his disposal is far less than what Ratten had to put up with …but that gets left out often
Anyway we’ll see but coaching changes are done at Saints for a while so like it or not Lyons not going anywhere
Some so called senior experienced players on other hand..

[B.M]

So we agree

It’s the list that is the most important factor?!

[Teflon]

So we agree

It’s the list that is the most important factor?!

I never thought that was in doubt?
I do think your assertion coach makes no difference was silly.

[B.M]

I never said that

I said coaches are defined by their list and/or injuries

They can have influence in two ways

Setting culture standards
Game day tactics

But none of that matters a fk without talent

We’ve seen many a master premiership coach fail at flailing teams
Barassi, Barassi, Jeans, Pagan, Sheedy, Malthouse, Simpson

They didn’t change - their most important resources did

[Teflon]

I never said that

I said coaches are defined by their list and/or injuries

They can have influence in two ways

Setting culture standards
Game day tactics

But none of that matters a fk without talent

We’ve seen many a master premiership coach fail at flailing teams
Barassi, Barassi, Jeans, Pagan, Sheedy, Malthouse, Simpson

They didn’t change - their most important resources did

You’ve said coaches are overrated and not important
At least stabd by your words!

[B.M]

The are overrated - by people with no idea

They have their place and have some importance

But don’t matter a fk without talent

Talent can win with any coach
Lack of talent can’t win regardless of the coach