Ross the boss

[Ghost Like]

It’s funny

It used to be the coaches fault,

Now it’s the players fault???

So which coach should we have kept? Watters, Richo or Ratts?

Has anyone actually said it is only one aspect of the Club?

I think most have reasonably stated it is a combination of coaching, recruiting, list management and administration.

You do not rate coaches but that's because of your abilities as a player.

You rate B&F votes & Brownlow votes, also, I suspect, because of your abilities as a player.

You are very quick to criticise kids starting out, yet once they win an award they appear untouchable.

I even noticed this week you acknowledged the importance of a ruckman, ctiticising RoMa's tap work (or lack of)...that's a change in your thinking but I suspect that was to take some heat off the untouchable award winners.

Look forward to seeing where we are at come the end of the home & away as to what you want done with our list. Please include names.

[B.M]

Wtf has anything got to do with me? As a player??

We’re talking AFL

I obviously think coaches are important- they are nowhere near as important as players though

Rowan - good ruckman and his tap work is ok

At 201cm he was just monstered by a guy 4 inches taller. Hawthorns ruckman is 210!

Unless you can really jump, a 201cm ruckman is undersized these days - Rowan is not a leaping ruckman therefore will get beaten by bigger men

[Teflon]

It’s funny

It used to be the coaches fault,

Now it’s the players fault???

List or coach?
You think we are top 4 quality ….I don’t

[B.M]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

[Vortex]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

Interesting observations BM albeit you seem a little skeptical about the possibility of magic.

Stay firm, keep the faith, and remember this, Lyon get's the best out of players.

standby to watch the rabbit be pulled from the hat.

[saynta]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

[Yorkeys]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

[lewdogs]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

This time last year we were happy with the coach as we were sitting 5th. Then after the bye we completely capitulated.

This season is not over. We are 7-4 and sitting 5th, that's actually a good result all things considered.

Let's see what the coaches can do after the bye. I have a feeling we'll surprise a few (again).

[Yorkeys]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

This time last year we were happy with the coach as we were sitting 5th. Then after the bye we completely capitulated.

This season is not over. We are 7-4 and sitting 5th, that's actually a good result all things considered.

Let's see what the coaches can do after the bye. I have a feeling we'll surprise a few (again).

Recently tracking at 40% win rate. Lose to Swans = 33%. Neither likely to mean finals this year (12 * .4) + 7. But that might be the plan, explore, draft, delist, bank salary, appear to have insights others can't comprehend. Scoff at the presser questions.
But boy I hope you are right and Ross does the surprise thing. The inexorable slide thing is a bit old.
And missing the 8 again from 7-4 criminally cruel; but not incompetent, no not that.

[saynta]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

Interesting. I would have Ratts marginally in front.

After all he did win one more game,

[Teflon]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

But this time last year we didn’t have the horrific injury list we’ve had or a new coaching group bedding down an entire new game plan
What’s there not to understand?
I think there’s no helping sone …
Oh and you need to go back and find my post where I’ve ever said this list is top 4???????? I dare ya?
So toddle off with your other troll Vort and let us talk footy cause you make zero sense with illogical 1980 arguments

[SaintPav]

See the Ross Lyon appreciation society is still going full swing!

Don’t cross the boss on here or you’ll know about it!

[CQ SAINT]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

Interesting. I would have Ratts marginally in front.

After all he did win one more game,

The list, with a one or two more youth and a and 2 recycled players, have won 7 of their last 11, under Lyon.
How did Rattens last 11 stack up?

[CQ SAINT]

I don’t understand

Last year, with the same list you bagged the fk out of Ratten for winning 11 games - with what you now concede is a mediocre list?!

But at the time Ratten was to blame

Now you pontificate about the fact we have a great coach, who has his hands tied due to a mediocre list

Question
Why is not good for the goose if it’s good for the gander?!

Because atm it seems like double stands

Compare the last 11 games of each coach, with the same list. Compare it now. Surely Caminiti, Stocker, Phillipou and Cordy aren't that good.

[bobmurray]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

Interesting. I would have Ratts marginally in front.

After all he did win one more game,

The list, with a one or two more youth and a and 2 recycled players, have won 7 of their last 11, under Lyon.
How did Rattens last 11 stack up?

Re ask that question after the next 11 (or 12) games, that will be a better bench mark. Compare their respective coaching efforts over the whole season.
Both coaches had a reasonable first 11 games, BR 8-3, RTB 7-4.
BR's last 11 games 3-8, RTB's last 11 (or 12) games ?

[CQ SAINT]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

Interesting. I would have Ratts marginally in front.

After all he did win one more game,

The list, with a one or two more youth and a and 2 recycled players, have won 7 of their last 11, under Lyon.
How did Rattens last 11 stack up?

Re ask that question after the next 11 (or 12) games, that will be a better bench mark. Compare their respective coaching efforts over the whole season.
Both coaches had a reasonable first 11 games, BR 8-3, RTB 7-4.
BR's last 11 games 3-8, RTB's last 11 (or 12) games ?

It's the same list isn't it? I thought coaches didn't matter?

[bobmurray]

Actually, this time last year under Ratts we were 8 and 3.

This year under the "master coach" we are 7 and 4.

Who the f*** was doing the better of the two?

I think Ross, marginally. He got us up for the 150th. Ratts couldn't win a marquee game. Ross didn't have Max for most games but did have Owens, a Hill that put in, but not a fit in form Steele.

Interesting. I would have Ratts marginally in front.

After all he did win one more game,

The list, with a one or two more youth and a and 2 recycled players, have won 7 of their last 11, under Lyon.
How did Rattens last 11 stack up?

Re ask that question after the next 11 (or 12) games, that will be a better bench mark. Compare their respective coaching efforts over the whole season.
Both coaches had a reasonable first 11 games, BR 8-3, RTB 7-4.
BR's last 11 games 3-8, RTB's last 11 (or 12) games ?

It's the same list isn't it? I thought coaches didn't matter?

Let's find out at seasons end, after RTB's year of exploration.

[B.M]

We didn’t have injuries in the second half of last season?

[CQ SAINT]

We didn’t have injuries in the second half of last season?

Have you ever played a season when you didn't? We are talking about football. Injuries are inevitable. Do you have a number of injuries in mind?
Most of those injured players, and more, carried those injuries into the first 7 games of the year and Ross did it without Windhager and Ryder who drove Ratten's approach to slowing the opposition down and trying to get first touch.
Its basically the same list with 2 recycled role players and 2 untried kids. f****** miles apart in approach though.

[Teflon]

We didn’t have injuries in the second half of last season?

Have you ever played a season when you didn't? We are talking about football. Injuries are inevitable. Do you have a number of injuries in mind?
Most of those injured players, and more, carried those injuries into the first 7 games of the year and Ross did it without Windhager and Ryder who drove Ratten's approach to slowing the opposition down and trying to get first touch.
Its basically the same list with 2 recycled role players and 2 untried kids. f****** miles apart in approach though.

Bang on !
And the dullards simply going 8-3 vs 7-4 pay no regard to “how” we’ve won those games
First half last year with FULL list Ratten had us playing fits n spurts - quarter here , quarter there….only 1 4 quarter game against Hawthorn. Deplorable transition game with King, Membrey all available???

Lyons side?
In every gave bar 1
Multiple 4 quarter games with full team buy in to defensive pressure
Worst injury list in league yet at 6-2 we had one of the best ball transitions and defensive games in the comp
No established key forwards first half, year 1 ruckman
Owens Pou Byrnes NAS Caminiti ALL huge development
Light years ahead in how we are going about it
If we win more than 3 in back half year I think we can put this to bed …

[Teflon]

From BF - I’m backing the great man in

*******

Ross barely had a poor second half of a year at St Kilda. In 2007, 2008 & 2011 the second half of the season was superior to the first half. The second halves of 2009 and 2010 were pretty good too.


Year First half - Second half record
2007 4-7 7-3-1
2008 5-6 8-3
2009 11-0 9-2
2010 8-3 7-3-1
2011 4-6- 8-3