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Byrnes and Paton
Anyone still want to defend these two?
One of the final plays showed why they must go.
Paton gets it has NWM riding shotgun for the hands but Paton refuses to give it to him. Then he handballs to which Byrnes stands flat footed allowing it to bounce then gives a garbage hand ball to Paton who screws a kick on his opposite two meters to an Adelaide player.
Both are putrid and need to go
One of the final plays showed why they must go.
Paton gets it has NWM riding shotgun for the hands but Paton refuses to give it to him. Then he handballs to which Byrnes stands flat footed allowing it to bounce then gives a garbage hand ball to Paton who screws a kick on his opposite two meters to an Adelaide player.
Both are putrid and need to go
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Byrnes kicked a goal. 69 % disposal efficiency
Paton was as average as most others. Same disposal efficiency as Seb Ross
Maybe drop Seb and see if Ronnie can step up with the extra responsibility. I reckon he has upside where as Seb has plateaued and the cliff is close...
Paton was as average as most others. Same disposal efficiency as Seb Ross
Maybe drop Seb and see if Ronnie can step up with the extra responsibility. I reckon he has upside where as Seb has plateaued and the cliff is close...
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 14 May 2023 5:01pm Byrnes kicked a goal. 69 % disposal efficiency
Paton was as average as most others. Same disposal efficiency as Seb Ross
Maybe drop Seb and see if Ronnie can step up with the extra responsibility. I reckon he has upside where as Seb has plateaued and the cliff is close...
I could do that kicking 15 meter kicks.
Both get smothered both by hand and foot. Both use the wrong option time and time again
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
I'd drop all three along with Sharman and obviously Membrey out with concussion. Membrey, Byrnes, Ross, Sharman, Paton and Bytel (unlucky) for King, Windhager, Billings, Webster and Gresham.Scollop wrote: ↑Sun 14 May 2023 5:01pm Byrnes kicked a goal. 69 % disposal efficiency
Paton was as average as most others. Same disposal efficiency as Seb Ross
Maybe drop Seb and see if Ronnie can step up with the extra responsibility. I reckon he has upside where as Seb has plateaued and the cliff is close...
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
So from hardly any change we are all of a sudden going to replace 6. That's how you build cohesion
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Only because we had no one to bring back.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Ben Patton is a dud. Simple as that. He should be moved on asap. Ryan Byrnes is still young, and goes hard at the ball and has done well this year. He, like many other, lacks the physical strength to compete against the top echelon. His kicking lacks penetration. Sometimes, a kick just has to be 5 metres longer than usual to a avoid blocking opposition. Once again, top players can do this. His handball needs work. I don't think we have any better players for his position at the moment.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Byrnes has been having a good season. Not sure why need to put him under the microscope.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Seb Ross had a bad day but Dougal was just shocking. He seemed to be bird watching all day. He has no clue. I wish he could be replaced. I'm not sure what Port Adelaide saw in him. Calling him a future captain is laughable.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
He has had a few good games but he is hardly consistent or reliable and is a bit of a headless chookSainternist wrote: ↑Sun 14 May 2023 7:26pm Byrnes has been having a good season. Not sure why need to put him under the microscope.
At least that's my feeling watching him
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Byrnes deserves some scrutiny.
He’s come along in leaps and bounds this year but the gap between best and worst is just too big atm. If I was an opposition coach, 100% he’s one of the mids I’d target as I would know he could be effected. Am not suggesting he be cut… but I reckon he’s given an opportunity for a Bytel, Windhager or Billings to have a try instead
He’s come along in leaps and bounds this year but the gap between best and worst is just too big atm. If I was an opposition coach, 100% he’s one of the mids I’d target as I would know he could be effected. Am not suggesting he be cut… but I reckon he’s given an opportunity for a Bytel, Windhager or Billings to have a try instead
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Ross should not be kicking the ball into the forward 50 period
Just a classic loopy bomb it forward player .... under no pressure as well
Opposition back men must love seeing him stream forward through the center
Just a classic loopy bomb it forward player .... under no pressure as well
Opposition back men must love seeing him stream forward through the center
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Too right! He’s a lazy, lolloping waste of space with appalling body language. He telegraphs his passes and is inept at following up his blatant errors. He lacks a football brain. Why he chooses to wrestle stronger forwards than him is beyond comprehension. He gets done every time.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Sun 14 May 2023 8:40pm Seb Ross had a bad day but Dougal was just shocking. He seemed to be bird watching all day. He has no clue. I wish he could be replaced. I'm not sure what Port Adelaide saw in him. Calling him a future captain is laughable.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
At Paton’s size, you need to be able to play on the zippy small forwards. He seemingly can’t do that and has average to poor kicking skills and not big enough or quick enough to play as a midfielder.
Was going ok before his broken leg as I’m sure he had more speed, but has come back nothing like that player.
At this stage, now seemingly a list clogger.
Was going ok before his broken leg as I’m sure he had more speed, but has come back nothing like that player.
At this stage, now seemingly a list clogger.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Then what's he supposed to do against a player like Walker? Step back and let them take an uncontested mark? He certainly wouldn't look like as much of a gumby as he does trying to wrestle them, but that's surely not the point.
I agree he isn't strong enough to handle the likes of a Taylor Walker. Few fullbacks are. The answer to Walker was therefore to try something different than simply leaving Howard to deal with him. That was a failure on the part of Lyon and Enright.
One strategy might have been to bring Cordy in to play on Walker and shuffling a few other players around, but Ross will rarely do anything like that. Another option might have been to have strategies for double-teaming Walker in crucial contests: but that takes us back to Cordy, because the personnel we had on the park yesterday weren't really capable of keeping Walker under control.
And Walker was always at the core of the threat that Adelaide posed to us. Not only was he a dangerous target himself, he also made space for other dangerous players like Rankine.
The way Adelaide put it all together yesterday, we were never going to beat them. But better strategising by the coaches and the selectors would have enabled us to do better than we did.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
It can certainly be said that Ryan Byrnes has improved this year but despite his impressive running he has little overall impact, I believe the other banana, Bytel, should replace him next week as he has been very impressive in the 2s, has a much stronger body and penetrating kick.
I agree that Ben Paton is just a shadow of the player he was before he smashed his leg, lacks pace and suffers from poor disposal skills. Jimmy Webster will surely replace Paton next week.
I agree that Ben Paton is just a shadow of the player he was before he smashed his leg, lacks pace and suffers from poor disposal skills. Jimmy Webster will surely replace Paton next week.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Byrnes has been terrific this season. I’m amazed he’s under any scrutiny. He’s the most improved player at the club and has saved his career.
I’ve almost expired on Paton. I’d rather we gave Highmore a go now; it’s a shame Coffield has been out of action for so long. Connolly, too, deserves a go. I’m happy to let Webster move on as he’s not part of the future.
It’s a season of exploration so let’s explore who has a role to play going forward.
I’ve almost expired on Paton. I’d rather we gave Highmore a go now; it’s a shame Coffield has been out of action for so long. Connolly, too, deserves a go. I’m happy to let Webster move on as he’s not part of the future.
It’s a season of exploration so let’s explore who has a role to play going forward.
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Re: Byrnes and Paton
Loathe to drop Byrnes because he’s quick and the game has gone lightening quick now. He can spear through congestion and snatch it. Disposal not the best but maybe that deficiency can be trained or worked with…i.e. do pass this way don’t pass that way etc., but pace can’t be trained?
We’d have to ask , what could these guys have define bettter? Adelaide looked like they were taking amphetimines
We’d have to ask , what could these guys have define bettter? Adelaide looked like they were taking amphetimines
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