3 second rule game plan nonsense

[Teflon]

A bit has been posted here about how diabolical our supposed training 3 second dispose of the footy effort will be. As posted by Stav on BF (worth a read as he actually knows a little bit and often makes sense/is connected)

Anyhoo sober reading that to me made it plausible

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You have it wrong.

What they are working on is not a “precision” game plan built on ball retention.

It’s about quick ball movement (3 seconds) that will have elements of chaos to it.

It should hopefully remove the bomb it to king tunnel vision as most forwards should be 1v1 or mids running into open space.

Then it’s all about defensive structures and placements to allow us to win the ball back and defend scores - closer to a top 4 side.

Last piece is the amount of stoppage work they are doing. But with more midfield numbers

Bytel Coffield Owens Phillipou Windhager Wood Higgins Sincs Roma Campbell Crouch Byrnes Clark Hill Ross Paton - yet to see Steele Billings Jones Gresham in this stuff. Probably a few names I’ve forgotten who have joined in too.


Now they won’t tolerate bad disposal in obvious circumstances. But it’s not going to be clean disposal all over the park.

Infact, it will be the shorter sharper handballs that will be noticeable immediately

[B.M]

He has already stated

1/ he doesn’t coach precision
2/ they will be a go forward team of turnover not a retention team
3/ stoppage teams are too easy to defend

[Vortex]

How can the chaos game plan not include the long bomb?

Can't see how you can't have it as a set play, even for a top 4 team.

[Saintmike65]

How can the chaos game plan not include the long bomb?

Can't see how you can't have it as a set play, even for a top 4 team.

There will be long kicks into the forward 50, just not with monotonous regularity as under previous coaches.

[Impatient Sainter]

How can the chaos game plan not include the long bomb?

Can't see how you can't have it as a set play, even for a top 4 team.

As the forwards will be encouraged to stay home and lead up at the ball, rather than Minx doing his 10 metre hook leads.

[Scollop]

Hopefully there are several elements of our game plan that can be flexible and adapt to counter the strengths of each different opposition

Hopefully we keep several elements secret and it's not openly talked about outside the 4 walls (or 4 squares ...if you're Clayton Oliver )

Who is the main guy as far as analysing the opposition? Do we have an assistant coach who specialises in countering the strengths of each opponent each week or is it all left to the senior coach?

[Teflon]

How can the chaos game plan not include the long bomb?

Can't see how you can't have it as a set play, even for a top 4 team.

As the forwards will be encouraged to stay home and lead up at the ball, rather than Minx doing his 10 metre hook leads.

Thanks IS - I thought Stav addressed that as well but anyhoo
Tough crowd.

[Teflon]

How many of us experienced this with last years game plan/execution….drove me nuts!

From BF

Well that's a lot of my angst at games that would be gone.

I was at a game in the past couple of years and described our handballing to my wife who is still learning the game...

"We don't know when to handball it, we don't who to handball it to, we don't know the space to handball it into for the advantage of the receiving player and we don't know the strength to put on it but it's always too little or too much. What they do seem to think is that just getting rid of it ends their responsibility"

It was so frustrating to watch.

If that is being addressed by the new coaching staff then that fills me with some hope that we can improve in a number of areas.

That handball comment was so true. I was staggered that professional footballers could be so inept at a fundamental skill.

When it's one or two players, that's poor recruiting, but when it's across the board like it seemed to be at our club, it's got to be the coaching.

[CQ SAINT]

Isn't the 3 second thing likely to be just a drill.
Within 3 seconds, you can scan the peripheral, select from 3 options and send the ball into an advantageous space.
Within 3 seconds, those around you can break, change direction and pivot.
Within 30 weeks of training for it, it will become reflex, within 50 weeks, the skills will be honed and it will contribute greatly to a game plan of possession retention and traditional, one on one positional play outside of the centre. Lyon stated that Geelong and Scott are the yard stick. They are getting a bit old and we have a year and a half to blood some kids and do some deals.
We aren't rebuilding, we are building a game plan.
The only thing nonsensical about this thread is the assumption it's based on game plan.

[AuckSaint]

I think this is the most interesting/exciting thing about the major shakeup during the off season. There seems to be (whether is works or not!!) a defined and directional strategy going forward. Last year (particularly at the later part of the year) there seemed to be a feeling that if we met resistance to our strategy, we folded. There are many reasons why this might happen, but I personally felt the team didn't have the confidence when challenged to implement what the coaches wanted, and just started to go sideways and towards the boundary.

Watching the team under RTB a decade+ ago, there was always a defined plan and the team stuck to it. I'm excited to see a different way (no matter what that is) the coaching team have devised. From snippets from those who've been to training, I am looking forward to the season proper. Win, Lose or draw - I just never want to see capitulations like that Bombers game I had the misfortune to see last year.

[st.byron]

I think this is the most interesting/exciting thing about the major shakeup during the off season. There seems to be (whether is works or not!!) a defined and directional strategy going forward. Last year (particularly at the later part of the year) there seemed to be a feeling that if we met resistance to our strategy, we folded. There are many reasons why this might happen, but I personally felt the team didn't have the confidence when challenged to implement what the coaches wanted, and just started to go sideways and towards the boundary.

Watching the team under RTB a decade+ ago, there was always a defined plan and the team stuck to it. I'm excited to see a different way (no matter what that is) the coaching team have devised. From snippets from those who've been to training, I am looking forward to the season proper. Win, Lose or draw - I just never want to see capitulations like that Bombers game I had the misfortune to see last year.

Me too. Only about 60 sleeps. Looking forward to it. Booked already. Can't wait to see the boys run out again.

[saintsRrising]

A key part of the plan in 2023 is to move the ball on and forward very quickly.


For those worried about lack of precision due to the emphasis on quick ball movement, just remember that the Tigers three recent flags were all built on this premise.

Also remember that quick ball movement results in the opposition making more errors due to the pressure and lack of time available to them to respond, including also to not be able to set up well. Lack of time also means that the opposition mids cannot get back in numbers to defend.

You only have to look at our past "stop and prop" gameplan to see how well our opponents were able to set up against us as we gave them way to much time to do so.

[Yorkeys]

Run the opposition ragged.

If basketball can have a three second rule so can we.

Try holding your hand over a flame for three seconds*: 3 secs can seem a long time.

* vort, sport, its just an analogy, don't really go and hold your hand over a flame. (I trust everyone else to already know this but worry about you understanding.)

[Vortex]

Run the opposition ragged.

If basketball can have a three second rule so can we.

Try holding your hand over a flame for three seconds*: 3 secs can seem a long time.

* vort, sport, its just an analogy, don't really go and hold your hand over a flame. (I trust everyone else to already know this but worry about you understanding.)

If it's under 3 seconds I'm a good chance not to get burnt, anything over 3 seconds and I might forget why I'm deliberately burning my hand.

[Viscount Jeremiah]

Sounds very similar to the way Collingwood play.

[bobmurray]

Will this new game style work, if in the early rounds Sharman and Allison are the Key Forwards ?

That's where i think the 3 second rule might be spot on.

It'll only take about 3 seconds for the opposition to rebound the ball out of our F50.

[Yorkeys]

Uno, dos, tres
GOAAAAAL
Magnifico
El Sharman
Hombre Pajaro!

[Teflon]

Isn't the 3 second thing likely to be just a drill.
Within 3 seconds, you can scan the peripheral, select from 3 options and send the ball into an advantageous space.
Within 3 seconds, those around you can break, change direction and pivot.
Within 30 weeks of training for it, it will become reflex, within 50 weeks, the skills will be honed and it will contribute greatly to a game plan of possession retention and traditional, one on one positional play outside of the centre. Lyon stated that Geelong and Scott are the yard stick. They are getting a bit old and we have a year and a half to blood some kids and do some deals.
We aren't rebuilding, we are building a game plan.
The only thing nonsensical about this thread is the assumption it's based on game plan.

Umm…I’m pretty sure our new game plan is around moving the ball forward quickly
I don’t think Ross said to the boys
“Got a new 3 sec game plan…just add water..”
Regardless, it goes to our new style of play so think the only “nonsense” would be suggesting it isn’t related

[Teflon]

A key part of the plan in 2023 is to move the ball on and forward very quickly.


For those worried about lack of precision due to the emphasis on quick ball movement, just remember that the Tigers three recent flags were all built on this premise.

Also remember that quick ball movement results in the opposition making more errors due to the pressure and lack of time available to them to respond, including also to not be able to set up well. Lack of time also means that the opposition mids cannot get back in numbers to defend.

You only have to look at our past "stop and prop" gameplan to see how well our opponents were able to set up against us as we gave them way to much time to do so.

We’ll said
Tge good ole “go slow” like treacle down the boundary is dead thank **** for that