Who needs to be pushed out for us to really take next step??

[Vortex]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

[Teflon]

I think in a side that won 11 last season

Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch

Had excellent seasons and contributed to winning

McKenzie
Billings
Jones

Were injury effected

Butler was OK

All those players - at their best are in the best 22 - and if they are at their best - we are winning games

I would throw in
Gresham and Clark as injury effected

And of course Coffield

Teflon
Name calling doesn’t bother me - it just reflects your person

Thanks for a run down of how you think players went last year
So “all at their best” are in the side ????
No room for kids then….unless your starting 18 is now starting 25 …progress slow on that model…
DMac get a game in Cats midfield???? Wood on Cats wing????
I think you struggle with the concept that we need to raise the bar a level or 3 to be serious contenders…
I hope that fence youre on has no spikes on it..
Oh look …not 1 name in that …

[Teflon]

Saw similar on BF (good discussion)

I agreed with

1. Webster
2. Ross
3. Jones

These guys playing twos mean we’ve got better kids replacing them
Progress!

I don't mind this discussion. At risk of offending the Seb Ross Fan Club on this forum I agree with all three players nominated, and assuming we're talking mainly about players who have ranked as best 23, I'd add:

4. Billings, and
5. Gresham (at 25 he's at a major crossroad in his career to elevate his game to elite standard)

If McKenzie is fully fit I'd have him taking over Webster's spot as an attacking defender.

There were three debutants in 2022 that I expect will progress to best 23 this year, Windhager, Owens and Wanganeen-Milera, to which I'll add Phillipou who I believe is going to play a lot of games in 2023.

Good call Sanctorum
It’s a mature discussion for mature posters like us (no one’s told Vort his troll views are not really taken seriously..but let him play along)
I agree on the above - the question is: to improve do our kids have higher ceilings than those they are replacing??
If yes, uplift
If no, deep Shyte
I think yes….and a touch of RTB will finish them off nicely

[Teflon]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

[B.M]

We are not a kindergarten- no, no room for kids

Unless
They earn a spot or we are out of contention - even then he won’t pick kids if they are not ready.

Get used to Lyon just picking the best team each week at his disposal

He doesn’t care if they are 18 or 30+ he just picks player in form and can do a role.

If Phillipou or Hotton or Van Es shoot the lights out of it, they get a look in… but they have to unseat proven AFL player for that to happen.

[B.M]

BTW

I don’t have to answer to you

Especially because your questions are not worth responding to

[Teflon]

We are not a kindergarten- no, no room for kids

Unless
They earn a spot or we are out of contention - even then he won’t pick kids if they are not ready.

Get used to Lyon just picking the best team each week at his disposal

He doesn’t care if they are 18 or 30+ he just picks player in form and can do a role.

If Phillipou or Hotton or Van Es shoot the lights out of it, they get a look in… but they have to unseat proven AFL player for that to happen.

Cool
So No Development of kids under Marto
Just charge on with the B team that stays about 6-12
Nice!
I like a longer term view…
Good sides still bloood kids (no one in AFL - except Brad Hill under your mate Brett Ratten) is gifted games that’s nonsense

[Teflon]

BTW

I don’t have to answer to you

Especially because your questions are not worth responding to

Fair play.
Best if you keep answering your own then …1 less person to disagree with

[Vortex]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

[Teflon]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

Troll = definition of Board killer.

[saynta]

Big footy...pfft. A crap forum for SS rejects, the illiterate and the barely functioning.

If we finish in the bottom half of the ladder this year. I would be pushing out the boss and replacing him with Banger

[Teflon]

Big footy...pfft. A crap forum for SS rejects, the illiterate and the barely functioning.

Another quality post from the little nan who offers zero football input to this board other than to run to mods…
Is this another attempt at thread hijacking???
Again, put up an opinion or toddle off
Nobody actually cares for your pathetic attempt to troll

[Vortex]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

Troll = definition of Board killer.

You can't even answer a simple question...when will we win a flag? 4 years, 6 years, 8 years or what even 10 years. You just want to see consistent footy and improve....that doesn't make sense.

Big splinters when you hop off the fence

[B.M]

Of course you develop kids, both in the VFL and the AFL if they are good enough and if you’re good enough you’re old enough.
However,
They need to demonstrate they can make the grade and play at the level.

Ross has history of overlooking kids for players he can trust to do a job

Robert Eddy over Jack Steven

[Sanctorum]

Nine days into a new year and already the standard of debate on this forum has declined to grovelling in the gutter with snide comments and personal jibes and insults that contribute nothing to serious conversations.

Surely if someone disgagrees with an OP wouldn't it be better to ignore it altogether and rather than derail the conversation allow those who seek to have a civil argument about a particular matter, such as this one, to carry on without rancour??

[Teflon]

Of course you develop kids, both in the VFL and the AFL if they are good enough and if you’re good enough you’re old enough.
However,
They need to demonstrate they can make the grade and play at the level.

Ross has history of overlooking kids for players he can trust to do a job

Robert Eddy over Jack Steven

What’s 10 years ago got to do with Lyon now?
Brayshaw and Serong both credit him with their career development??? We ignore the facts when it suits..
Who said anything about gifting games ?
Do you always state the obvious? (perhaps don’t answer)

[Teflon]

Nine days into a new year and already the standard of debate on this forum has declined to grovelling in the gutter with snide comments and personal jibes and insults that contribute nothing to serious conversations.

Surely if someone disgagrees with an OP wouldn't it be better to ignore it altogether and rather than derail the conversation allow those who seek to have a civil argument about a particular matter, such as this one, to carry on without rancour??

Thank you
It’s a genuine discussion detailed by the few without independent thought who offer very little footy discussion

[Teflon]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

Troll = definition of Board killer.

You can't even answer a simple question...when will we win a flag? 4 years, 6 years, 8 years or what even 10 years. You just want to see consistent footy and improve....that doesn't make sense.

Big splinters when you hop off the fence

Exhibit A
Troll.

[saynta]

Of course you develop kids, both in the VFL and the AFL if they are good enough and if you’re good enough you’re old enough.
However,
They need to demonstrate they can make the grade and play at the level.

Ross has history of overlooking kids for players he can trust to do a job

Robert Eddy over Jack Steven

Which a few of us on this forum have acknowledged was a huge mistake.

[Vortex]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

Troll = definition of Board killer.

You can't even answer a simple question...when will we win a flag? 4 years, 6 years, 8 years or what even 10 years. You just want to see consistent footy and improve....that doesn't make sense.

Big splinters when you hop off the fence

Exhibit A
Troll.

Isn't it annoying when someone keeps asking you moronically loaded questions...if you stop doing it I'll stop doing it.

[Teflon]

Moving fringe players aged 25+ to depth is the key, replace with younger talent with a higher ceiling.

Going down the list:
Ross
Webster
Wood
Crouch
Jones
Billings
McKenzie
Butler

Then, assess some younger players at their career crossroads (perform or delist)
Highmore
Paton
Clark
Coffield
Bytel
Sharman
Byrnes
Connolly
Allison

Note "perform" doesn't mean "become a gun in the senior side", but to meet or exceed improvement expectations.

Of the younger players (18-20 bracket) there's only a few who could step up this year. However, you may wish to take the hit on someone in decline to boost an up and comer.

Excellent Otiman
Great to get a genuine OPINION on here backed by logic for once
I think this year isn’t about finals it’s about engineering a team that can be top 4 threat in 2-3 years …

You seem confused, I thought you said you didn't care if Lyon doesn't win a flag in 4 years, as long as we improve and are consistently competitive? Careful you don't start collecting splinters in your arse. I always thought if you were capable of top 4 you were a contender. Come on Teffers make a prediction about when we will next be capable of a flag?

I’m confused too
Are you trying to have a serious footy conversation or still just potting Lyon/club while suggesting you agree with Bassatt decisions??
If so, that’s most un-troll like of you and a little unnerving…I like it best when we all know what you are..
(you’ll note I didn’t answer any of your comments…I mean….what’s the point?)

Teflon Tony strikes again.

It's possible reality will match the vision and voices in your head one day, in the mean time I think you are starting to bore this board. Maybe try livening things up with more cut and paste from BF.

Troll = definition of Board killer.

You can't even answer a simple question...when will we win a flag? 4 years, 6 years, 8 years or what even 10 years. You just want to see consistent footy and improve....that doesn't make sense.

Big splinters when you hop off the fence

Exhibit A
Troll.

Isn't it annoying when someone keeps asking you moronically loaded questions...if you stop doing it I'll stop doing it.

And….more Trolling..
Time for a nic change??

[Teflon]

Ok so thread back on track after recent troll/hijacking attempts..

We’ve established that for us to have improved guys like

1. Ross
2. Webster
3. Jones

Need to be pushed out/depth players by kids with higher ceilings- who else??

I’d like to see Butler gone , I think if we can replace him (and his 1 season wonder) with small who applies pressure AND can hit the scoreboard regularly we’ll have taken big steps

[Scollop]

Topic thread is too negative in my opinion..

Injuries in a contact sport usually provide opportunities to youth.

Some of the names mentioned had really good years last year. If they keep performing at a high level it's difficult to see them getting dropped

List managers need to cull if they believe we are fielding a side full of list cloggers. Simples

how about this;

I'd like to see Dougs morph into Steven May

Josh Battle morph into Tom Stewart or Sam Taylor

I'd like to see Bytel morph into Clari Oliver

I'd like to see Gresham turn into a hybrid of Lachie Neale and Shai Bolton

I'd like to see Owens morph into a hybrid of Patty Cripps and the Bont

and I'd like Jack Steele to win a Brownlow Medal

[B.M]

Horrendous

Disrespectful thread

BTW
Serong and Brayshaw were Pick 2 and Pick 5 going into a rebuild team.

Are you suggesting we are a rebuild team?

Because our age profile does not.

[Vortex]

Horrendous

Disrespectful thread

BTW
Serong and Brayshaw were Pick 2 and Pick 5 going into a rebuild team.

Are you suggesting we are a rebuild team?

Because our age profile does not.

Aren't we a rebuild team.

Let's look at the facts.

In 2021 Bassett claimed we would be in premiership contention in 2022.

12 months later he completely cleans out the football department 3 months after he said Ratts was the man.

Bassett has said we have to go backwards to go forward.

All of this to me suggests Bassett and Lethers either fell asleep at the wheel or they are completely incompetent.

I get the feeling they are hoping we repeat the 2022 performance of Collingwood after changing coaches but really "hope" is all they have this side of R1.

If we do drop down the ladder and have a shocker year then Bassett will still look like a genius because he said we had to go backwards.

That then leaves only 3 years on Lyon's contract to do a full rebuild .

What's your gut feel BM, personally I think we can still be a middle of the ladder team if we have incredible luck with injury and if that happens then we are still in rebuild because Bassett bought Lyon in to improve us from the middle ladder postion.